Gardner: I've been called the N word so many times this year

Disappointing but not surprising. It still ain't a bowl of cherries to be born black in America.

Still runs ramped down here.

I just don't get it. This is a class kid having a bad season for sure, but come on.

If anything, I think he can successfully argue that we're in this mess is because of a bunch of idiotic white guys.

wolverinefanalways wrote:

So why we are on the topic why is it alright for someone of the same color to call you a racist name but not alright for someone of the other color? 

Context means everything.

This does not surprise me one bit....you can see the covert racism even in comments made on this board. I will hunt down some of the "I can't wait til we get a white QB again" quotes.

Maize927 wrote:

This does not surprise me one bit....you can see the covert racism even in comments made on this board. I will hunt down some of the "I can't wait til we get a white QB again" quotes.

Who said that? 

Maize927 wrote:

This does not surprise me one bit....you can see the covert racism even in comments made on this board. I will hunt down some of the "I can't wait til we get a white QB again" quotes.

Not sure That the comment is racist if taken in context. the majority of black QB's have a unique skillset. One that does not fit a Pocket QB. I Would rather see a 6 ft 5 white QB who can stand in the pocket over a run first skillset QB. Maybe If RR was still here. But I guarantee we will not have another Black QB recruited to michigan for a while if we do not go back to the spread offense. Because There have been Very few Black QB's with a pro style offense skill set.

I couldnt care less what color skin our qb has personally. I do recall a poster saying such a thing as well, can't remember who it was.

zjgm02 wrote:

wolverinefanalways wrote:

So why we are on the topic why is it alright for someone of the same color to call you a racist name but not alright for someone of the other color? 

Context means everything.

Why is it OK for black comedians, like Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock, to make fun of crackers?  [8D] Context, right?
 
The truth is, we live in a world of double standards.  A member of a minority group can say just about anything about the majority group and it's OK.  But the majority group had better keep their mouths shut about anything the minorities do or say.
 
Here are just a few sports related examples that we've seen over the years:
 
- During an interview, John Rocker makes several degrading comments about gays and immigrants and he’s subjected to a psychological evaluation, forced to apologize to everyone under the sun, suspended for weeks, and berated by every major media vehicle in the country.   Meanwhile, Allen Iverson records songs about KILLING the same groups that Rocker offended, but nary a word is said and he gets a cover story in the USA Today praising him for being a “product of a more fight-to-survive culture”. 
 
- Following an NBA playoff game, black Detroit Piston members Isaiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman accused Larry Bird, a white player, of receiving praise only "because he is white." With a boys-will-be-boys wave, NBA Commissioner David Stern dismissed their remarks.
 
- NBA's Charles Barkley, annoyed at reporters' post-game questions, said, "That's what I hate about white people." No League comment. Sir Charles just being Sir Charles, right?
 
- Tiger Woods, in a "Gentleman's Quarterly" article, made an unseemly joke about gays. Did the golf tour demand an apology? No. And the gay and lesbian magazine, "The Advocate," simply attributed Wood's remarks to his youth and naiveté.  Meanwhile, Fuzzy Zoeller lost 2 million dollars in endorsements for making "racially insensitive" remarks about Tiger Woods.
 
- Rush Limbaugh was forced to resigned his commentator's job with ESPN because of the controversy over his remarks that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.  Meanwhile, Warren Sapp said, "I'm shocked that Tom Jackson and Michael Irvin just sat there and let this roll across their faces and didn't say anything,''  Do we not have anybody that understands that there's way more scrubs in this game that are Anglos than there are black ones that are being pumped up?  It's become a sideshow," Sapp said in an interview aired Sunday morning on CBS. LaVar Arrington got what he wanted. He snitched and the slave master came down.  "It's a slave system," Sapp said of the NFL. "Make no mistake about it, slave master says you can't do it, then don't do it."
 
If white people make off-color remarks, they’re called racist and face the wrath of the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, media, etc...  If blacks make them, they’re applauded for their brutal honesty and for being righteous. 
 
The world we live in.
 

BlueSteel wrote:

zjgm02 wrote:

wolverinefanalways wrote:

So why we are on the topic why is it alright for someone of the same color to call you a racist name but not alright for someone of the other color? 

Context means everything.

Why is it OK for black comedians, like Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock, to make fun of crackers?  [8D] Context, right?

The truth is, we live in a world of double standards.  A member of a minority group can say just about anything about the majority group and it's OK.  But the majority group had better keep their mouths shut about anything the minorities do or say.

Here are just a few sports related examples that we've seen over the years:

- During an interview, John Rocker makes several degrading comments about gays and immigrants and he’s subjected to a psychological evaluation, forced to apologize to everyone under the sun, suspended for weeks, and berated by every major media vehicle in the country.   Meanwhile, Allen Iverson records songs about KILLING the same groups that Rocker offended, but nary a word is said and he gets a cover story in the USA Today praising him for being a “product of a more fight-to-survive culture”. 

- Following an NBA playoff game, black Detroit Piston members Isaiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman accused Larry Bird, a white player, of receiving praise only "because he is white." With a boys-will-be-boys wave, NBA Commissioner David Stern dismissed their remarks.

- NBA's Charles Barkley, annoyed at reporters' post-game questions, said, "That's what I hate about white people." No League comment. Sir Charles just being Sir Charles, right?

- Tiger Woods, in a "Gentleman's Quarterly" article, made an unseemly joke about gays. Did the golf tour demand an apology? No. And the gay and lesbian magazine, "The Advocate," simply attributed Wood's remarks to his youth and naiveté.  Meanwhile, Fuzzy Zoeller lost 2 million dollars in endorsements for making "racially insensitive" remarks about Tiger Woods.

- Rush Limbaugh was forced to resigned his commentator's job with ESPN because of the controversy over his remarks that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.  Meanwhile, Warren Sapp said, "I'm shocked that Tom Jackson and Michael Irvin just sat there and let this roll across their faces and didn't say anything,''  Do we not have anybody that understands that there's way more scrubs in this game that are Anglos than there are black ones that are being pumped up?  It's become a sideshow," Sapp said in an interview aired Sunday morning on CBS. LaVar Arrington got what he wanted. He snitched and the slave master came down.  "It's a slave system," Sapp said of the NFL. "Make no mistake about it, slave master says you can't do it, then don't do it."

If white people make off-color remarks, they’re called racist and face the wrath of the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, media, etc...  If blacks make them, they’re applauded for their brutal honesty and for being righteous. 

The world we live in.

Dismissed their remarks? There was a firestorm, several press conferences, and several apologies by Isiah Thomas over what was said. I`d recommend watching the 30 for 30 special on the Bad Boys.
 
I will agree that people within the "in-group" can get away with saying things about other members of their own group that "outsiders" cannot. It goes far beyond race however and it is short-sighted to simply limit the context to race. You and I can say things to and about our friends at a bar that would cause the group right next to us to get punched in the face. People of Jewish decent make jokes that non-jews cannot. Women call each other names that if repeated by men would cause a firestorm. Short people jokes are off limits, yet you can say whatever you like to someone 6'11. Fat people jokes are off limits, yet you can say whatever you want to a skinny person.
 
As for black athletes/figures not getting in trouble for things they do and say, that's simply doesn't hold up.
[ul][*] Stephen A. Smith was just suspended for comments over Ray Rice. [*]There was a firestorm in aftermath of the Michael Vick case where athlete after athlete was publicly impelled over dog fighting (Clinton Portis being one). [*]Tim Hardaway was set on fire over his comments on gay marriage. [*]Tony Dungy was ripped to shreds on his comments saying he wouldn't have Michael Sam on his team.[*] Miami Dolphins safety Don Jones was suspended and had to attend sensitivity training over his twitter comments concerning Michael Sam on draft day.[*]Former Dallas Maverick Josh Howard was eviscerated for a video of him a football game that came out with him saying "The Star-Spangled Banner' is going on. I don't celebrate this [expletive]. I'm black."[*] Danny Green was just forced to issue an apology earlier this month for a twitter selfie at the Holocaust Memorial [/ul]  
Those are just off the top of my head.
 
Context, intent, and history matters. "White men can't jump" causes no real lasting harm for white basketball players, their future career doesn't suffer as a result of that narrative (though Mr. Stauskas might disagree LOL!). The narrative that blacks shouldn't/can't play QB is rooted in history and causes actual harm, though it is diminishing by the second as a by-product of the popularity of the spread offense.
 
There's a big difference between PC and actually being offensive and causing harm.

MichFan4Life wrote:

BlueSteel wrote:

zjgm02 wrote:

wolverinefanalways wrote:

So why we are on the topic why is it alright for someone of the same color to call you a racist name but not alright for someone of the other color? 

Context means everything.

Why is it OK for black comedians, like Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock, to make fun of crackers?  [8D] Context, right?

The truth is, we live in a world of double standards.  A member of a minority group can say just about anything about the majority group and it's OK.  But the majority group had better keep their mouths shut about anything the minorities do or say.

Here are just a few sports related examples that we've seen over the years:

- During an interview, John Rocker makes several degrading comments about gays and immigrants and he’s subjected to a psychological evaluation, forced to apologize to everyone under the sun, suspended for weeks, and berated by every major media vehicle in the country.   Meanwhile, Allen Iverson records songs about KILLING the same groups that Rocker offended, but nary a word is said and he gets a cover story in the USA Today praising him for being a “product of a more fight-to-survive culture”. 

- Following an NBA playoff game, black Detroit Piston members Isaiah Thomas and Dennis Rodman accused Larry Bird, a white player, of receiving praise only "because he is white." With a boys-will-be-boys wave, NBA Commissioner David Stern dismissed their remarks.

- NBA's Charles Barkley, annoyed at reporters' post-game questions, said, "That's what I hate about white people." No League comment. Sir Charles just being Sir Charles, right?

- Tiger Woods, in a "Gentleman's Quarterly" article, made an unseemly joke about gays. Did the golf tour demand an apology? No. And the gay and lesbian magazine, "The Advocate," simply attributed Wood's remarks to his youth and naiveté.  Meanwhile, Fuzzy Zoeller lost 2 million dollars in endorsements for making "racially insensitive" remarks about Tiger Woods.

- Rush Limbaugh was forced to resigned his commentator's job with ESPN because of the controversy over his remarks that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.  Meanwhile, Warren Sapp said, "I'm shocked that Tom Jackson and Michael Irvin just sat there and let this roll across their faces and didn't say anything,''  Do we not have anybody that understands that there's way more scrubs in this game that are Anglos than there are black ones that are being pumped up?  It's become a sideshow," Sapp said in an interview aired Sunday morning on CBS. LaVar Arrington got what he wanted. He snitched and the slave master came down.  "It's a slave system," Sapp said of the NFL. "Make no mistake about it, slave master says you can't do it, then don't do it."

If white people make off-color remarks, they’re called racist and face the wrath of the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, media, etc...  If blacks make them, they’re applauded for their brutal honesty and for being righteous. 

The world we live in.

Dismissed their remarks? There was a firestorm, several press conferences, and several apologies by Isiah Thomas over what was said. I`d recommend watching the 30 for 30 special on the Bad Boys.

I will agree that people within the "in-group" can get away with saying things about other members of their own group that "outsiders" cannot. It goes far beyond race however and it is short-sighted to simply limit the context to race. You and I can say things to and about our friends at a bar that would cause the group right next to us to get punched in the face. People of Jewish decent make jokes that non-jews cannot. Women call each other names that if repeated by men would cause a firestorm. Short people jokes are off limits, yet you can say whatever you like to someone 6'11. Fat people jokes are off limits, yet you can say whatever you want to a skinny person.

As for black athletes/figures not getting in trouble for things they do and say, that's simply doesn't hold up.
[ul][*] Stephen A. Smith was just suspended for comments over Ray Rice. [*]There was a firestorm in aftermath of the Michael Vick case where athlete after athlete was publicly impelled over dog fighting (Clinton Portis being one). [*]Tim Hardaway was set on fire over his comments on gay marriage. [*]Tony Dungy was ripped to shreds on his comments saying he wouldn't have Michael Sam on his team.[*] Miami Dolphins safety Don Jones was suspended and had to attend sensitivity training over his twitter comments concerning Michael Sam on draft day.[*]Former Dallas Maverick Josh Howard was eviscerated for a video of him a football game that came out with him saying "The Star-Spangled Banner' is going on. I don't celebrate this [expletive]. I'm black."[*] Danny Green was just forced to issue an apology earlier this month for a twitter selfie at the Holocaust Memorial [/ul]  
Those are just off the top of my head.

Context, intent, and history matters. "White men can't jump" causes no real lasting harm for white basketball players, their future career doesn't suffer as a result of that narrative (though Mr. Stauskas might disagree LOL!). The narrative that blacks shouldn't/can't play QB is rooted in history and causes actual harm, though it is diminishing by the second as a by-product of the popularity of the spread offense.

There's a big difference between PC and actually being offensive and causing harm.

3 of those Shouldn't count.... The gay community is worse at double standards than anyone.... You agree with us or we will spend weeks boycotting outside of Chick FiL A Because we are so insecure that your not allowed to Donate money to Pro Traditional Family Supporters or we will boycott. But please donate to our Fight or anyone with a opposite opinion we will Boycott and Try to get the Government to Shut down Cake Shops Who Won't Violate their freedom of Religion to bake me a cake for my lesbian wedding............
 
TLDR even a Black Man can't escape the wrath of Pro gay supporters....

wolverinefanalways wrote:

Yes, it is racist. And your "black american" friend sent it to you why exactly?

andyum wrote:

wolverinefanalways wrote:

Yes, it is racist. And your "black american" friend sent it to you why exactly?

  he doesn't care for O'bummer and he thought it was funny. Other than that I couldn't tell ya brother.

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"Racism is there and it is constant. You're tired of hearing it? Imagine how f'ing exhausting it is living it."

Goblue88 wrote:

Maize927 wrote:

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"Racism is there and it is constant. You're tired of hearing it? Imagine how f'ing exhausting it is living it."

The problem is Racist stereotypes keep getting played out and the black community isn't doing anything to stop it... Rioting over a criminal getting shot by a cop when Its now come out that the gunshot pattern is basically just what the cop said the Criminal who had committed a Robbery earlier in the day went for the cops gun...... But protesting for 2 months over a Criminal Getting shot is really helping race relations..... Seeing people act like idiots rioting over a criminal and Defending him makes people more scared when they see 3 black kids walking down the street that they will be next.....

Imma quote Mark Cuban here 
"If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it’s late at night, I’m walking to the other side of the street. And if on that side of the street, there’s a guy that has tattoos all over his face--white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere--I’m walking back to the other side of the street. ... I know that I’m not perfect. While we all have our prejudices and bigotries, we have to learn that it’s an issue that we have to control"

Racism is real and it is a issue But If you think for one minute that its only a issue on the white side. Your damn Wrong....  and race Baiters like Jesse Jackson are just making the problem worse. Both The black and white Communities need people willing to lead Change. Both sides need to teach the next generation to be better people and maybe then racism will end cause right now With black on white violent crime at a rate according the FBI of like 39 higher Per capita than White on black crime 7x higher for murders Per capita. And I know these statistics are skewed by Racism itself and the situations young black males are put into. But How are we to Start heal race relations when having to be scared that we will be the next statistic. I have black friends and I know many great People who are African American. I even Plan to Support Ben Carson for President 2016 But even with that said and call me Racist if you want. If its late at night and I see a black guy walking down the street I'll keep walking to the other side of the road rather than end up a statistic myself. 

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Sometimes its better if you keep your opinions to yourself. Do you ever stop to think why AA are 7x higher in crime stats?  Is called poverty. It is very difficult to rise above the ghetto when 1) your schools don't have the same resources that more affluent schools have 2) social pressures to follow a "bad" life style 3) lack of positive influences.
But at least you will be supporting Dr. Carson, that's mighty white of ya