Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

UMGOBLUE.COM

U-M to handle Fab Five issues after May when Chris Webber ban ends

 
[quote]
The ruling was rendered in 2003, which means the ban ends this year — on May 8, according to a U-M spokesperson.
At that time, the school can resume contact and, if it chooses, pay tribute to all five members of the Fab Five. However, no formal plans have been announced.
 
It's unclear whether the original Final Four banners can be raised again because the victories were vacated as part of the sanctions.
Last year, Michigan president Mary Sue Coleman said she doesn't think the banners would ever be restored to a place of prominence.
[/quote]
 
 
 [link=http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130117/SPORTS0201/301170449#ixzz2IGPozyKr]http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130117/SPORTS0201/301170449#ixzz2IGPozyKr[/link]

Comments

  •  
    The ruling was rendered in 2003, which means the ban ends this year — on May 8, according to a U-M spokesperson.
    At that time, the school can resume contact and, if it chooses, pay tribute to all five members of the Fab Five. However, no formal plans have been announced.
     
    It's unclear whether the original Final Four banners can be raised again because the victories were vacated as part of the sanctions.
    Last year, Michigan president Mary Sue Coleman said she doesn't think the banners would ever be restored to a place of prominence.
     
     
     [link=http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130117/SPORTS0201/301170449#ixzz2IGPozyKr]http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130117/SPORTS0201/301170449#ixzz2IGPozyKr[/link]
  • Phil, what are your thoughts on the banners being raised again or the Fab 5 being recognized at a game next year?

    Go Blue!!
  • Phil has been pretty outspoken about his disdain for Webber.
     
     
     
    Personally, I think they should be displayed somewhere, even if they aren't hung from the rafters.  Michigan never did anything wrong, just the players making dumb mistakes......imo
  • I would hang them, even if it was somewhere away from the other banners. It's still a part of Michigan history and even though the players got hit, those teams are going to be talked about every time another great class of freshman comes into a school.
  • I just don't see how the banners can come back. There were clear NCAA violations, the wins were vacated and perhaps worst of all the Michigan Athletic Department allowed the corruption to fester for years after the Fab 5 left. 
     
    With that said I fully expect some some big donor (or perhaps the players themselves) to cut the AD a check, and then magically the banners will re-appear. The store is open for business in Ann Arbor...
  • Did OSU remove their Sugar Bowl trophy from the trophy case even though they had to vacate that win?
     
     
  • Banners can't go back up but that period does need to be recognized in some way. Yes we cheated but the games still happened.
     
    I feel the same way about Reggie Bush giving back the Heisman.

  • Banners can't go back up but that period does need to be recognized in some way. Yes we cheated but the games still happened.

    I feel the same way about Reggie Bush giving back the Heisman.
     
    I'm in the minority but for me the games DIDN'T happen. The team was assembled unfairly, with some of the players were being "paid' to attend Michigan. They had unfair advantages while they were there provided by Ed Martin. And as for the "innocent" players on the team, everyone knew it was going on at the time.
     
    If it were up to me, I'd burn the banners.
     
    It wasn't enough that they had more talent than most of their opponents, they also didn't have to worry financially. They were pseudo-professionals playing against amateurs.  And I feel the same way about Reggie Bush [;)]
  • Amen Phil. Couldn't agree more. They could put the Big Ten and NCAA championship banners up. Oh wait a minute, nevermind.
  • Am I missing something in regards to Webber? I thought all that was proved was he received money (a "loan" that went unpaid) after the North Carolina game? Even Mitch Albom talks about how "poor" the guys were during their time at Michigan.
     
    Edit: I should also note that regardless the Fab Five days exist to me. I was 11/12 at the time and I still have great memories. I moved to Tennessee not too long after the '93 NC game, so I wasn't exposed to the story as it developed. I mostly got the cliff notes.
  • If we do bring them back and recognize them, what will we be recognizing them for? I mean, they never won anything, so in essence it will be another media-hyped event (that's right up DB alley...)
     
    Go Blue!!
     
  • aMAIZEing wrote:

    Am I missing something in regards to Webber? I thought all that was proved was he received money (a "loan" that went unpaid) after the North Carolina game? Even Mitch Albom talks about how "poor" the guys were during their time at Michigan.

    Edit: I should also note that regardless the Fab Five days exist to me. I was 11/12 at the time and I still have great memories. I moved to Tennessee not too long after the '93 NC game, so I wasn't exposed to the story as it developed. I mostly got the cliff notes.
    Jalen Rose and others have admitted to taking handouts from Ed during and before their playing days. Ed was taken on several recruiting visits as well.
  • From Wikipedia
     
    The case began when the investigation of an automobile accident during [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateen_Cleaves]Mateen Cleaves[/link]' 1996 recruiting trip revealed a curious relationship between Martin and the Wolverine basketball program dating back to the 1980s. Several Michigan basketball players were implicated over the next few years and by 1999 some were called before a federal [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury]grand jury[/link]. Four eventual professional basketball players—[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Webber]Chris Webber[/link], [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Taylor]Maurice Taylor[/link], [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Traylor]Robert Traylor[/link] and [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Bullock]Louis Bullock[/link]—were discovered to have borrowed a total of $616,000 from Martin. During the investigation, Webber claimed not to have had any financial relationship with Martin, but eventually confessed to taking loans from Martin. He was both fined in the legal system and briefly suspended by the [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association]National Basketball Association[/link] after performing public service.
     
    Martin noticed Webber during a middle school game. Martin attended Webber's church, where Webber's father was [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon]deacon[/link] and began fostering a relationship by making frequent visits to the Webber family home. Between 1988 and 1993 Martin gave Webber about $280,000.[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandal#cite_note-EMRHlairiMbh-4][4][/link][/sup] Eventually, Webber would confess to having received and repaid only $38,200, an amount identified via a specific transaction tied to Webber.[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandal#cite_note-WAJPGoaCC-9][9][/link][/sup]
     
    [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandal]http://en.wikipedia.org/w...gan_basketball_scandal[/link]
     
    In UM's investigation, they detail a number of transactions that showed that Webber was receiving money all though his time at Michigan. His plea of poverty was a joke. Mitch Albom wrote Fab 5 during one of the biggest scandals in college history and completely missed (or ignored) it.
     
    After Webber's plea, the Michigan State High School Athletic Association (MHSAA) recommended that Detroit Country Day forfeit all games in which Webber appeared (including three state championships), since according to his own admission, Webber had been accepting money from Martin since junior high school. The school conducted its own investigation, and called a press conference to announce it had found "no credible evidence" that Webber had accepted "substantial" amounts of cash from Martin while in high school, and therefore refused to forfeit any games. The MHSAA claimed it had no legal authority to force the games to be forfeited.
     
    [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Webber[/link]
     
    #$% Chris Webber.
  • Webber has been a total pu$$y throughout the past 10+ years and to this day won't acknowledge the situation or apologize. Give it up dude. People in today's give you another chance if you say I'm sorry.

    Go Blue!!

  • If we do bring them back and recognize them, what will we be recognizing them for? I mean, they never won anything, so in essence it will be another media-hyped event (that's right up DB alley...)

    Go Blue!!

    BINGO.  What, exactly, is the recognition?  The Team That ALMOST Won A NC?  The 2nd Best Team Money Could Buy?  The award should be The Biggest Morons of All-Time.  They were a disgrace, plain and simple.  And it's not like PracticeGate.  This was the stuff that sends everybody on this forum typing a million words a minute when it happens to someone else.  We got burned so we put on our big boy pants and we moved on.  Why bring this back around again?  Cut these losers loose already. 
  • TK23Blue wrote:

    If we do bring them back and recognize them, what will we be recognizing them for? I mean, they never won anything, so in essence it will be another media-hyped event (that's right up DB alley...)

    Go Blue!!

    BINGO.  What, exactly, is the recognition?  The Team That ALMOST Won A NC?  The 2nd Best Team Money Could Buy?  The award should be The Biggest Morons of All-Time.  They were a disgrace, plain and simple.  And it's not like PracticeGate.  This was the stuff that sends everybody on this forum typing a million words a minute when it happens to someone else.  We got burned so we put on our big boy pants and we moved on.  Why bring this back around again?  Cut these losers loose already. 

    Agreed. The way I see it, the only thing this group of cheaters accomplished was setting the UofM basketball program back and into the realm of irrelevance for more than 20 years. Now that Michigan basketball is back, the last thing I want to do is recognize the team and players responsible for almost destroying Michigan basketball altogether...
Sign In or Register to comment.