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I have the feeling that you are not the only one with that opinion!
Both were/are a tire fire. Trump is a mess but it'll be interesting to see who he fights with first. The so-called liberal media? (that created him BTW) The GOP? Dems? All of the above? Dr. Frankenstein should be nervous.
I think the fact that the demographic with whom Hillary should share the most common worldview--white females--voted in majority for Trump, given the sexist things released during the campaign, speaks volumes about what a sh!tty candidate Clinton was.
Of course her cheerleaders and the DNC will (try to) blame third parties and the news networks because that's easier than taking a long, hard look in the mirror. I've already read tortured logic about Clinton winning if she somehow got all Stein voters and half of Johnson's voters in Florida, Michigan etc.
zjgm02 said: the demographic with whom Hillary should share the most common worldview--white females--voted in majority for Trump, given the sexist things released during the campaign, speaks volumes about what a sh!tty candidate Clinton was.
Yep. I didn't vote for Trump, but my wife did. Not because she likes Trump, but because she couldn't stand HRC. #shewasntwithher
zjgm02 said: Of course her cheerleaders and the DNC will (try to) blame third parties and the news networks because that's easier than taking a long, hard look in the mirror. I've already read tortured logic about Clinton winning if she somehow got all Stein voters and half of Johnson's voters in Florida, Michigan etc.
Not ony that, but they need to look at the down ticket too because it's not just the Presidency that was lost. The Sentate, the House, the Governors, etc were lost and 24 more Democratic Senate seats are up at Midterms in 2 yrs. Voters didn't identify with Hillary and whatever the DNC was trying to sell and it's been going on for the last 2-4 years.
Democrats and main stream media took Trump literally and not seriously, while Trump voters and Independents took Trump seriously and not literally.
I'm more worried about what kind shady things are going to go on before Jan. 20, than the next 4 years.
What he said.
First of all, justice was finally served to one Hilary Clinton. The American people were the only ones with the fortitude & courage to finally do what desperately needed done to her. Thank God she lost.As far as Trump, I'm happy to say I voted for Trump. The man had the courage to stand up & do what he thought was right & withstood an almighty beating from the media, the establishment, celebrities, athletes & just about anyone else you can name. In the end I believe Trump ran for the right reasons & I firmly believe his policies will be great for America. He's been wildly successful at nearly everything he's ever tried & there's no reason to believe he cannot do the same as President. Trump may be a little rough around the edges but it's not his fault America is full of marshmallow soft, participation trophy, weaklings who think their feels are more important than everything else.In the end we don't need Trump to be nice or to coddle the American people. We need him to be a good President. And everyone owes him a chance to do so. His success is our success.
Jabes0623 said: And everyone owes him a chance to do so. His success is our success.
That's absolutely rich considering obstructionist Republicans have spent the past 8 years doing whatever they could NOT to work with Dems. Nobody owes Trump anything. He owes the American people who put him in office. Time to deliver.
If nothing else, he's going to have a very busy first 100 days. He has an appearance in court in a civil suit against Trump U for fraud, NY State investigations into Trump Foundation, FBI investigation into Paul Manafort and ties with Russia. Defendent In Chief will then switch to plaintiff as he still needs to sue multiple women for supposed false accusations of sexual assault against him. After that, he'll need to study the definition of a blind trust (let the irony of that term wash over you) as he removes himself from the massive conflict of interest he has with his business holdings. He then has to put Hilly in jail AND wipe out ISIS. Oh, and then get cash out of Mexico to build a wall. And accomlish all of this while Republicans submarine him with hopes of impeachment so they can roll Mike Pence into his position. Whew! I can't even imagine what the 2nd 100 days would look like. Busy beaver.
The irony is if Trump is consistent as a president with the way he campaigned he won't get anything done because neither the Democrats or the Republican establishment supports him.
Jabes0623 said: TK I'm curious why you think taking out your frustrations with the (R) in Congress on Donald Trump, who has never spent a second in Congress, is fair or reasonable?
Is this a serious question?
Jabes0623 said: And yes TK, serious question. Just to speed things along, for future reference in this thread any question I ask that isn't followed by the words "don't worry its rhetorical" is a "serious" question.
I only asked because of the absolute hypocrisy. You said everybody owes Trump a chance and his success is ours, which is a load of sh**. Is that what the Republicans said when Obama took office? In the infamous words of Mitch McConnell: "I will do everything in my power to make sure he is a one-term president." The unprecedented obstruction for the past 8 years has been absurd and it's a fact and Republicans are proud of it. But as an Indy I'm going to sit back and laugh as both parties come after Trump and vice versa. You can't handle people bagging on Trump but grow up, grow a pair, and get used to it because it hasn't even started yet. Is that speeding things along enough for you?
Jabes0623 said: But of course not lost in your little diatribe there is the fact that you completely avoided answering my question. I suppose that's because you're smart enough to know that taking out your frustrations with Congress on Trump is childish & indefensible.
Your question was meaningless. Taking out my frustration with Congress on Trump? I simply pointed out the fact that you want to ignore: unprecedented obstructionism and your hypocrisy with expecting everybody to work together under Trump. My frustration is not with Congress right now-it's the fact that this country could elect a racist autocrat game show host as POTUS. (and you want to list race relations as an Obama failure? Yeah, cuz Trump is the guy to put an end to that. Blah ha!) And the irony in it all is the fact that half of his own party feels the same way. But here's the deal-Trump did what nobody thought was possible so who knows, maybe he WILL be successful. And I hope he is. All he probably has to do is not speak in public and stay off Twatter. The pros will handle the rest for him.