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Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:49 PM (permalink)
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:52 PM (permalink)
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Why does D-rob have to be brought into this mess? He's not complaining and whining about it like the other guys are. jeez
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Wednesday, April 25, 2012 8:56 PM (permalink)
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Why does D-rob have to be brought into this mess? He's not complaining and whining about it like the other guys are. jeez

 
better yet what "memorabilia" has the school sold of his?  The only thing I can think of is the Spring Game patch then they give the money back to Motts.... DAMN YOU  GREEDY SICK KIDS!!! DAMN YOU ALL!!!
                      
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:27 PM (permalink)
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Why does D-rob have to be brought into this mess? He's not complaining and whining about it like the other guys are. jeez


better yet what "memorabilia" has the school sold of his?  The only thing I can think of is the Spring Game patch then they give the money back to Motts.... DAMN YOU  GREEDY SICK KIDS!!! DAMN YOU ALL!!!

As far as I can remember the only auction I recall the university having and profitting from it was the "garage" sale a few years ago when they cleared out all the Nike surplus from storage. Besidees that I'm pretty sure that when the University it self had any auction involving memoribilia it's for a charity fundraiser.
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:41 AM (permalink)
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:22 AM (permalink)
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Its absurd, in any other field or walk of life this would be grounds for a lawsuit. A LaMichael James jersey, with him name on the back, is currently going for $980.
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:36 AM (permalink)
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UM has had various auction sites over the years. Usually poorly publicized and poorly executed.
 
But the AD is in tough position. Over the years they have had garage sales where people buy things and re-sell them on ebay for a huge markup. I've seen people selling stuff in the parking lot to people who missed out on great items. I have a pretty nice collection of stuff that I've purchased over the years, much of which (specifically team gear) that you can't find anywhere else.
 
So the problem is that some people abuse the sales to make a quick buck and the AD, always quick to generate revenue, is getting in on the business. And it's another example of players getting slighted. 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:40 AM (permalink)
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There's no solution involving compensation for the players that wouldn't create a complete disaster down the line and across the board.   As a player on scholarship, there's a ton of perks not to mention it's a full and FREE ride so where doe it end?  How much is enough?  For the school, they make bucks on the backs of these guys but where does THAT end?  The schools can make money anyway they want but the players can't even keep their jerseys (that's an NCAA thing so take it up with THAT over-bloated spineless entity).  This is one I'd stay away from.  It's the biggest Pandora's box in college football right now and a disaster waiting to happen.  The school shells out probably 300k+ per 4 year full-ride player and then tries to make it back later by selling said players jersey.  The fact is, these 2 exploit each other so frankly I could not care less.     

 
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:09 AM (permalink)
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I've never been a fan of opening up that box either TK.  I realize there is exploitation going on of the student athlete as these universities and the NCAA are making tons of money off of their football and basketball programs.  With that said, however, I just, for the life of me, can't understand why a full scholarship isn't enough for these kids?  I mean, many of these kids won't make it to the professional ranks, so is it really all that bad that they are getting a free education and help them into a career after sports without the burden of a mountain of student loans to repay?  And for those fortunate enough to make it to play sports professionally, is it really too much to ask for them to 'suffer' (using that term EXTREMELY loosely) through the pains of being a student athlete for a few years before you get your first multi-million dollar contract? 
 
To me, I always come to the same questions when it comes to pay for play.  What is considered a fair compensation for a student athlete and how long before the 'elite' student athletes will be holding out for more money because they feel the star QB or star WR or star RB should be making more than the starting right guard???  And don't kid yourselves that that won't happen.  It's no different than when a star player who chooses the team that pays him a couple of million more dollars over loyalty to a fanbase.  Greed is what fuels athletes today and if you introduce pay for play into college athletics, you will bring greed right along with it.  I for one hope I'm not around when that happens because college athletics will never be the same...

 

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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:07 PM (permalink)
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I've never been a fan of opening up that box either TK.  I realize there is exploitation going on of the student athlete as these universities and the NCAA are making tons of money off of their football and basketball programs.  With that said, however, I just, for the life of me, can't understand why a full scholarship isn't enough for these kids?  I mean, many of these kids won't make it to the professional ranks, so is it really all that bad that they are getting a free education and help them into a career after sports without the burden of a mountain of student loans to repay?  And for those fortunate enough to make it to play sports professionally, is it really too much to ask for them to 'suffer' (using that term EXTREMELY loosely) through the pains of being a student athlete for a few years before you get your first multi-million dollar contract? 

To me, I always come to the same questions when it comes to pay for play.  What is considered a fair compensation for a student athlete and how long before the 'elite' student athletes will be holding out for more money because they feel the star QB or star WR or star RB should be making more than the starting right guard???  And don't kid yourselves that that won't happen.  It's no different than when a star player who chooses the team that pays him a couple of million more dollars over loyalty to a fanbase.  Greed is what fuels athletes today and if you introduce pay for play into college athletics, you will bring greed right along with it.  I for one hope I'm not around when that happens because college athletics will never be the same...

Why isn't it enough for everyone else on scholarship who gets paid? There are lots of students on scholarship who get paid, most of whom are responsible for bringing in zero dollars to the university. How do we determine what a teaching or research assistant is worth? Or what to pay the kid on academic scholarship who works for the school on the side? The "cost of attendance" measure is certainly a step in the right direction IMO and I think it will show paying players will not overturn the apple cart. No one has sat out for more money and I highly doubt they ever will (schools still have power to yank scholarships and the NCAA/schools will NEVER allow a player's union).
 
The solution for this particular issue is easy, stop selling kids gear for $1k and banking the money. If it was for charity the stench would be lessened a bit.  That's clearly not the case here. Oregon's site includes this note:
 
Every winning bid on OregonAuthentic.com directly supports the University of Oregon Department of Athletics (they added "and students athletes" in the last few hours).
 
I have a REAL problem with schools directly making money off of kid's names and likeness. EA Sports continues to leave player's name off their NCAA football and basketball games, yet everyone knows that the black #16 players with dreds for Michigan is Denard Robinson. EA Sports' deal is with the NCAA, not the players, so the NCAA pockets the license money, and EA Sports of course pays no royalties.
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:36 PM (permalink)
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Nope, I'm with Matty.  They get a full ride as it is.  But somehow there is absolutely NO value placed upon that.  I have yet to hear an athlete say, "listen, I realize they spent a lot of money to have me at their school, but...."   Besides, and this is the bottom line for me: the schools make money selling stuff from their superstars (not the back-up goalie for the hockey team)-the guys that make it into the NFL and NBA.  And that is ALL these kids need these schools for-to get to the next level.  That's 3 & out in football and 2 & out in basketball.  They then go on to make millions so guess what?  Tough sh** for them.  The school can't make money off the other 500 athletes.  There's only a small handful ea. year that can actually fetch 1k for a jersey.  What these kids SHOULD do is pay back the schollie money with their signing bonus.  I would.  Ya' got a free ride, ya' got to the next level with a PHAT contract, oh and oops, by the way, ya' got a premier education you can actually use after your 15 minutes are up, and the school sold some jerseys and MAYBE made 100k off your back?  Phfff.  They exploit ea. other-the school makes money off a handful of players ea. year, those handful of players helped drive ticket sales, exposure, etc, they got a full ride, and in some cases made it to the next level.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.  Although in a lot of cases, the player came out WAAAAY further ahead than the school.     

 
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:38 PM (permalink)
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PS: and that same player who came out ahead is the same guy on Sunday who, during the player intros, announces he's from  ABC High School.  Screw the college that shelled out 300k on him and got him into the NFL.  Nope, I don't feel sorry for these kids AT ALL.

 
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:42 PM (permalink)
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Nope, I'm with Matty.  They get a full ride as it is.  But somehow there is absolutely NO value placed upon that.  I have yet to hear an athlete say, "listen, I realize they spent a lot of money to have me at their school, but...."   Besides, and this is the bottom line for me: the schools make money selling stuff from their superstars (not the back-up goalie for the hockey team)-the guys that make it into the NFL and NBA.  And that is ALL these kids need these schools for-to get to the next level.  That's 3 & out in football and 2 & out in basketball.  They then go on to make millions so guess what?  Tough sh** for them.  The school can't make money off the other 500 athletes.  There's only a small handful ea. year that can actually fetch 1k for a jersey.  What these kids SHOULD do is pay back the schollie money with their signing bonus.  I would.  Ya' got a free ride, ya' got to the next level with a PHAT contract, oh and oops, by the way, ya' got a premier education you can actually use after your 15 minutes are up, and the school sold some jerseys and MAYBE made 100k off your back?  Phfff.  They exploit ea. other-the school makes money off a handful of players ea. year, those handful of players helped drive ticket sales, exposure, etc, they got a full ride, and in some cases made it to the next level.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.  Although in a lot of cases, the player came out WAAAAY further ahead than the school.     


 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 9:42 AM (permalink)
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Nope, I'm with Matty.  They get a full ride as it is.  But somehow there is absolutely NO value placed upon that.  I have yet to hear an athlete say, "listen, I realize they spent a lot of money to have me at their school, but...."   Besides, and this is the bottom line for me: the schools make money selling stuff from their superstars (not the back-up goalie for the hockey team)-the guys that make it into the NFL and NBA.  And that is ALL these kids need these schools for-to get to the next level.  That's 3 & out in football and 2 & out in basketball.  They then go on to make millions so guess what?  Tough sh** for them.  The school can't make money off the other 500 athletes.  There's only a small handful ea. year that can actually fetch 1k for a jersey.  What these kids SHOULD do is pay back the schollie money with their signing bonus.  I would.  Ya' got a free ride, ya' got to the next level with a PHAT contract, oh and oops, by the way, ya' got a premier education you can actually use after your 15 minutes are up, and the school sold some jerseys and MAYBE made 100k off your back?  Phfff.  They exploit ea. other-the school makes money off a handful of players ea. year, those handful of players helped drive ticket sales, exposure, etc, they got a full ride, and in some cases made it to the next level.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.  Although in a lot of cases, the player came out WAAAAY further ahead than the school.     


Here's an idea: When you sign your LOI, you have 2 choices: (1) You sign a contract giving up all rights for the school to profit from all of your jerseys, likeness, etc. The school can do whatever it would like to promote itself using whatever means it would like to gain more revenue. You're free to leave after 2 or 3 years per the NFL/NBA. Or, (2) The school gives you the right to profit from the jerseys, etc., BUT you commit to a full 4 years at that school. You can't leave early for the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/Arena League/Whatever. Any money made while you're at the school is put into an account which will be paid to you after you leave the school. You still get the free ride for 4 years, but if you break this contract, 100% of your signing bonus or first year's salary, whichever is greater, goes to pay off the national debt (meaning, paid directly to China). Just throwing out some ideas...
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 10:10 AM (permalink)
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Nope, I'm with Matty.  They get a full ride as it is.  But somehow there is absolutely NO value placed upon that.  I have yet to hear an athlete say, "listen, I realize they spent a lot of money to have me at their school, but...."   Besides, and this is the bottom line for me: the schools make money selling stuff from their superstars (not the back-up goalie for the hockey team)-the guys that make it into the NFL and NBA.  And that is ALL these kids need these schools for-to get to the next level.  That's 3 & out in football and 2 & out in basketball.  They then go on to make millions so guess what?  Tough sh** for them.  The school can't make money off the other 500 athletes.  There's only a small handful ea. year that can actually fetch 1k for a jersey.  What these kids SHOULD do is pay back the schollie money with their signing bonus.  I would.  Ya' got a free ride, ya' got to the next level with a PHAT contract, oh and oops, by the way, ya' got a premier education you can actually use after your 15 minutes are up, and the school sold some jerseys and MAYBE made 100k off your back?  Phfff.  They exploit ea. other-the school makes money off a handful of players ea. year, those handful of players helped drive ticket sales, exposure, etc, they got a full ride, and in some cases made it to the next level.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.  Although in a lot of cases, the player came out WAAAAY further ahead than the school.     



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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 10:45 AM (permalink)
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Its a tough spot but at the same time my "boss" makes money off me...  If it wasn't for him I would not have the opportunities I have now...  
                      
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 10:48 AM (permalink)
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When he is still in school? Not cool at all.... They want a Pryor or what?
                      
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 11:47 AM (permalink)
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Nope, I'm with Matty.  They get a full ride as it is.  But somehow there is absolutely NO value placed upon that.  I have yet to hear an athlete say, "listen, I realize they spent a lot of money to have me at their school, but...."   Besides, and this is the bottom line for me: the schools make money selling stuff from their superstars (not the back-up goalie for the hockey team)-the guys that make it into the NFL and NBA.  And that is ALL these kids need these schools for-to get to the next level.  That's 3 & out in football and 2 & out in basketball.  They then go on to make millions so guess what?  Tough sh** for them.  The school can't make money off the other 500 athletes.  There's only a small handful ea. year that can actually fetch 1k for a jersey.  What these kids SHOULD do is pay back the schollie money with their signing bonus.  I would.  Ya' got a free ride, ya' got to the next level with a PHAT contract, oh and oops, by the way, ya' got a premier education you can actually use after your 15 minutes are up, and the school sold some jerseys and MAYBE made 100k off your back?  Phfff.  They exploit ea. other-the school makes money off a handful of players ea. year, those handful of players helped drive ticket sales, exposure, etc, they got a full ride, and in some cases made it to the next level.  Sounds like a fair trade to me.  Although in a lot of cases, the player came out WAAAAY further ahead than the school.     


Here's an idea: When you sign your LOI, you have 2 choices: (1) You sign a contract giving up all rights for the school to profit from all of your jerseys, likeness, etc. The school can do whatever it would like to promote itself using whatever means it would like to gain more revenue. You're free to leave after 2 or 3 years per the NFL/NBA. Or, (2) The school gives you the right to profit from the jerseys, etc., BUT you commit to a full 4 years at that school. You can't leave early for the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL/Arena League/Whatever. Any money made while you're at the school is put into an account which will be paid to you after you leave the school. You still get the free ride for 4 years, but if you break this contract, 100% of your signing bonus or first year's salary, whichever is greater, goes to pay off the national debt (meaning, paid directly to China). Just throwing out some ideas...

And what happens when school decides to cut said player after 2 years to go sign someone they think is better? This sounds like a great deal for the school but doesn't change the disparity between player and school.
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 3:03 PM (permalink)
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And what happens when school decides to cut said player after 2 years to go sign someone they think is better? This sounds like a great deal for the school but doesn't change the disparity between player and school.


Then the player keeps any royalties. They didn't keep their end of the bargain, so the player keeps the cake. The school is going to profit no matter what, and (theoretically) always will. It has to be a 2-way street- you stay, you get paid. You leave, you lose any right to the $$. Same goes for the school.
 
Again- just having some (unrealistic) fun- everything I've said is in jest and won't EVER happen, because the schools (and primarily, the NCAA) are too greedy.
 
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Re:Former Oregon players unhappy with way school profits off memorabilia Friday, April 27, 2012 7:50 PM (permalink)
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Its the almighty NCAA were talkin about here....Paying athletes....How could they possibly screw that up???
 
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