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I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:06 AM (permalink)
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This is actually a story from 2009 but it has come back to life recently thanks to the website washtenawwatchdog.com (which I must say I have some issues with but that's another story). More and more people are picking it up as a result so it is starting to become a bigger and bigger story.
 
I thought about trying to provide context but I`ll just let people read the story as is. The accusation is that in 2009 Brandon Gibbons raped a fellow athlete at a campus party, that the victim was threatened by Taylor Lewan, and that the campus police, Ann Arbor Police, and University covered up the incident.
 
(there isn't a link to the actual page where the story is so you`ll have to scroll down just a bit)
http://washtenawwatchdog.com/
 
 


 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:23 AM (permalink)
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you know, I was enjoying this message board because it seemed to be the only one left that wasn't talking about this situation.
 
 
until he's actually charged with something, what is even the point of talking about it.  Seems like character assasination to me.

 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:32 AM (permalink)
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you know, I was enjoying this message board because it seemed to be the only one left that wasn't talking about this situation.


until he's actually charged with something, what is even the point of talking about it.  Seems like character assasination to me.

With all due respect, wishing a story away doesn't make it go away. As more outlets pick it up this story is likely only going to get bigger not smaller. Like it or not, true or not, it IS a story.
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:33 AM (permalink)
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Well, aren't we full of good news this morning...first this and then Darboh. Geez...

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Ohio St.'s actions are not unlike their lower intestine: stinky and loaded with danger.

 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:35 AM (permalink)
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WolvyMike


you know, I was enjoying this message board because it seemed to be the only one left that wasn't talking about this situation.


until he's actually charged with something, what is even the point of talking about it.  Seems like character assasination to me.

With all due respect, wishing a story away doesn't make it go away. As more outlets pick it up this story is likely only going to get bigger not smaller. Like it or not, true or not, it IS a story.


How are we just reading about this when it happened FOUR years ago? Honestly, this is the first time I've seen this report.

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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:40 AM (permalink)
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WolvyMike


you know, I was enjoying this message board because it seemed to be the only one left that wasn't talking about this situation.


until he's actually charged with something, what is even the point of talking about it.  Seems like character assasination to me.

With all due respect, wishing a story away doesn't make it go away. As more outlets pick it up this story is likely only going to get bigger not smaller. Like it or not, true or not, it IS a story.


How are we just reading about this when it happened FOUR years ago? Honestly, this is the first time I've seen this report.

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According to the website, because there was a coverup. I don't remember there being a story about Gibbons even being arrested in 2009. His mugshot says otherwise.
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:45 AM (permalink)
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Why did the victim have to be "threatened by Taylor Lewan"?  Gibbons couldn't handle the threatening part?  This one smells.  With that being said, this is a SERIOUS charge and if people are going to print it, they'd better be right.  That's what worries me.

 
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 9:53 AM (permalink)
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Was there not enough evidence 4yrs ago but now there is? I think the statute of limitations on rape is 7yrs. This sounds pretty f*cked up. I have to believe Hoke knows about this so I'm sure he'll get asked this week and we'll see what he says.

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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:05 AM (permalink)
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I'd have to re-read the article but I believe the story said the girl decided not to press changes (which isn't all that uncommon even in legit cases of rape believe it or not).

Accusing high profile athletes of rape is no small thing. Especially if you consider the ALLEGATION that the girl was threatened to not press charges.
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:21 AM (permalink)
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I will wait to make a judgement until more info comes out.  I will say that whether true or not, it is a horrible, horrible story.

 
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:33 AM (permalink)
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I'd have to re-read the article but I believe the story said the girl decided not to press changes (which isn't all that uncommon even in legit cases of rape believe it or not).

Accusing high profile athletes of rape is no small thing.

 
Is this a case of some watchdog group digging up sh!t just to make a name for themselves or has this case actually been re-opened by the Ann Arbor PD?
 
This just seems like it would be a difficult case to prove.  Obviously, there was a reason why this girl didn't press charges 4 years ago so what is the reasoning of this washtenawwatchdog.org to dig up this story 4 years later?   Just my guess, but I'm sure the fact that she admitted to kissing him the night before at another party and the fact that she admitted to drinking 4 beers and a shot on the night in question may have had something to do with her not pursuing pressing charges?  It doesn't take much to get an 18 year old girl who weighs 106 lbs drunk.

 

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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:40 AM (permalink)
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Gibbons was a freshman kicker when this happened.  It was hardly a case of her not pressing charges on a high profile athlete.  Give me a break.
 
 
Cover up my ass.  Read the article.  The University did all they were suppose to in regards to allegations.  Is it the Universities fault that the FreePOS wasn't sniffing around that day looking for a story?
 
 
This is not a bury your head in the sand situation.  If Gibbons is arrested then kick him off the team.  But right now it's he said/she said, and after watching an innocent man sit in prison for the last 5 years because of the same he said/she said BS, I'm not calling for anyone's head.
 
 
As for Lewan, he used poor judgement in sticking up for his friend.
 
 
It is what it is, wake me up when football talk comes around again.

 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:58 AM (permalink)
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This story is TOTAL BS...even RR wouldn't have allowed this to go unpunished, if true, and does anybody really think that Hoke would've let Gibbons & Lewan stay on the team?
 
This sounds like something the Free Press would come up with IMO 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:02 AM (permalink)
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According to the website, because there was a coverup. I don't remember there being a story about Gibbons even being arrested in 2009. His mugshot says otherwise.

 
So, because this website says there was a cover-up, it must be true?  Thiis is what drives me crazy!  Because it wasn't plastered over every news outlet in the Metro Detroit/Ann Arbor area, it is a cover-up by the University because this hack watchdog website says so?  Give me a break?! 
 
The more I think about this, the more it screams of this watchdog website trying to make a name for themselves.  If this was news worthy 4 years ago, don't you think somebody would have dug this up sooner?  Where was washtenawwatchdog.org 4 years ago when this actually went down?  Oh, gee, that's right.  Gibbons was a freshman kicker nobody had heard of and Lewan had yet to even start a game at Michigan and was hardly the commodity he is today.  What a coincidence that Gibbons is now a senior, and they just so happened to include Lewan who happens to be projected as a top 10 pick in the 2014 NFL draft? 
 
Btw, I'm sure Carlos Hyde has a mugshot as well for his incident a few weeks ago, but charges were never filed so it's meaningless...

 

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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:09 AM (permalink)
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As for Lewan, he used poor judgement in sticking up for his friend.


If Lewan said he would rape her again like was alleged in the article, do you consider that easily dismissed as "poor judgement"?

 
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:42 PM (permalink)
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Remind me again, why is this coming up again on this website. The timing of this is laughable. Don't know what happened but why in the world would this come up now?
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:12 PM (permalink)
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Does the timing change the facts? I agree the timing is suspect, and yes the site was likely trolling for a story when they happened to land on an arrest record from 4 years ago. As I said I have several issues with the website (the title of the story alone is unethical IMO).
 
HOWEVER, the arrest record, police reports, medical reports, and campus police reports appear to be legit. I really don't care about the website editorializing, the meat and potatoes are the documents.
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:28 PM (permalink)
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First, if this actually happened, it's terrible and Gibbons and Lewan deserved to be kicked off the team.  With that said, there are a number of issues with this article:
  • "He was a large and powerful athlete, and she was 106 lbs."
    • So? Being bigger than someone doesn't mean you must have raped them
  • The only report was anonymous
  • Does it ever say the name of the newspaper this story allegedly appeared in?
  • They show a picture of a messy bed and a door with a penis drawn on it. 
    • I'm not sure if this is supposed to reflect on Gibbons' character or not. But, if so, he didn't even live there. The article said they (allegedly) went into an open bedroom. 
  • Why is the paragraph about his performance in 2010 and beyond relevant?
    • Also, the punctuation in this particular paragraph is terrible. If they want this article to be taken seriously they should probably have an editor take a look at it. 
  • The comment about "brunette girls" was in relation to something Brady Hoke had told him to try and help him focus and the accompanying video proves this. It seems odd that they feel the need to paint him as sex-obsessed. 
  • Where is the cover up? From the sounds of it, the appropriate authorities were notified and they followed-up. At no point does it discuss any members of the coaching staff being aware of these charges. 
I will admit that I didn't read any of the footnotes because it's a headache to do with that much of the information redacted. But, even if this is true, they're not doing the victim any favors with the way this was written. Frankly, it's probably not worth worrying about or the time it took me to write this. 
 
 
 
 
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Re:I hesitate to post this but..... Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:55 PM (permalink)
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Does the timing change the facts? I agree the timing is suspect, and yes the site was likely trolling for a story when they happened to land on an arrest record from 4 years ago. As I said I have several issues with the website (the title of the story alone is unethical IMO).

HOWEVER, the arrest record, police reports, medical reports, and campus police reports appear to be legit. I really don't care about the website editorializing, the meat and potatoes are the documents.

 
And yet, there were never any charges filed against Gibbons OR Lewan which is the ONLY fact I need to know.  Until the AAPD decides to re-open this case, this story is nothing more than an attempt for a hack investigative website to try to make a name for themselves...

 

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The comment about "brunette girls" was in relation to something Brady Hoke had told him to try and help him focus and the accompanying video proves this. It seems odd that they feel the need to paint him as sex-obsessed. 


 
Great point.  Talk about taking something out of context and trying to build a mountain out of a molehill!  You are totally right about Hoke giving Gibbons the advice to think about blonde girls when Gibbons was kicking pressure fg's.  And they've spun it into making Gibbons appear to be some sex obsessed individual?! 

 
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  • Where is the cover up? From the sounds of it, the appropriate authorities were notified and they followed-up. At no point does it discuss any members of the coaching staff being aware of these charges. 

Exactly.  If there was a cover-up, I guess it involved everyone from the AAPD, to the UofM campus police to UofM administrators to UofM coaches?  Really? 
 
If the powers that be TRULY wanted to cover this up, don't you think the record of Gibbons arrest and mug shot would not be available today for public record? 
 
Bottom line is if the girl doesn't want to pursue pressing charges, that's where the story ends.  She says she was raped.  She also admitted to drinking heavily while she was underage.  He says the sex was consensual.  Its a case of he said, she said.  And how exactly can there be a cover up when no charges were ever filed?
 
Maybe their next piece of investigative journalism can be on whether or not there was a 2nd gunmen on the grassy knoll...

 

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