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An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:06 PM
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"@nickbaumgardner: Devin Gardner: "Before coach Nuss got here, I never had to identify a MIKE ... now I know where pressure's from.""
 
   
 
 
    
 
 
 
 




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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:20 PM
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Thanks Borges. And thanks Hoke for letting Borges ravage half of this roster for three years.

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:21 PM
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D'oh
Just because I live in Columbus, Ohio I am not a fool...


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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:30 PM
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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:48 PM
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DAMN that Borges...how the hell is he considered such an offensive genius 
 
Really believe that DG will have a super final season, thanks to Coach Nuss!!!
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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:55 PM
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not defending borges, but how hard is it to ID the mike? I'm willing to bet most people on this forum could do that.  yeah, on some plays it might be somewhat challenging due to formation, but really, is identifying him a necessary ingredient for QB success?
 
 



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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:18 PM
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MJackson


not defending borges, but how hard is it to ID the mike? I'm willing to bet most people on this forum could do that.  yeah, on some plays it might be somewhat challenging due to formation, but really, is identifying him a necessary ingredient for QB success?



That's what I was thinking too. 

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:59 PM
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Identifying someone as the MIKE LB sets up the protection for the center and backs. Typically the guards and tackles take the DTs and DEs (most OL's try to block big on big). The center and backs have to figure out who is left unaccounted for to block. So based on defensive formation and tendencies learned during film, the QB calls out the MIKE, which gives the center his blocking assignment. Once the MIKE is establsihed - it may not be the player who in reality is the MLB, the backs will know who to block. Without doing this, the center and backs may be late in figuring out who their guy is.

It isn't necessarily the MIKE LB per se, in that the QB will identify a guy, who the OL and backs then treat as the MIKE. Essentially in the man-to-man run or pass blocking scheme, everyone needs to be on the same page as to who is picking up who. When the QB identifies the MIKE, everyone will know who to block relative to that guy.

So for example, facing a 4-3, the QB might notice extra pressure is being brought down the strong side. If everyone blocked relative to the actual MIKE, it may for instance leave a guy unblocked strong-side, and a back not blocking anybody on the weak side, so the QB will identify the SAM as MIKE, the protection will shift and ideally everything will work out.

By default the MIKE will be the middle LB in the 4-3 but in reading the defense, the QB in essence can re-designate who the MIKE LB is and thus adjusting the protection. If one of the safeties comes into the box, it may be that the opposite side LB will drop off, meaning that the MIKE may now be "designated" by the QB as the LB on the safety's side of the field and therefore the protection scheme gets re-adjusted to account for safety.

So, uh, yeah, it's kind of important and not as easy as it seems...

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:15 AM
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Identifying someone as the MIKE LB sets up the protection for the center and backs. Typically the guards and tackles take the DTs and DEs (most OL's try to block big on big). The center and backs have to figure out who is left unaccounted for to block. So based on defensive formation and tendencies learned during film, the QB calls out the MIKE, which gives the center his blocking assignment. Once the MIKE is establsihed - it may not be the player who in reality is the MLB, the backs will know who to block. Without doing this, the center and backs may be late in figuring out who their guy is.

It isn't necessarily the MIKE LB per se, in that the QB will identify a guy, who the OL and backs then treat as the MIKE. Essentially in the man-to-man run or pass blocking scheme, everyone needs to be on the same page as to who is picking up who. When the QB identifies the MIKE, everyone will know who to block relative to that guy.

So for example, facing a 4-3, the QB might notice extra pressure is being brought down the strong side. If everyone blocked relative to the actual MIKE, it may for instance leave a guy unblocked strong-side, and a back not blocking anybody on the weak side, so the QB will identify the SAM as MIKE, the protection will shift and ideally everything will work out.

By default the MIKE will be the middle LB in the 4-3 but in reading the defense, the QB in essence can re-designate who the MIKE LB is and thus adjusting the protection. If one of the safeties comes into the box, it may be that the opposite side LB will drop off, meaning that the MIKE may now be "designated" by the QB as the LB on the safety's side of the field and therefore the protection scheme gets re-adjusted to account for safety.

So, uh, yeah, it's kind of important and not as easy as it seems...

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:05 AM
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Well, Scottsdale beat me to this explanation..........

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:37 AM
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Mother that is all holy, WTF

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:44 AM
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Wow...

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:39 AM
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The MIKE was just one of 11 guys our O line and backs couldn't block last year so this sudden revelation doesn't mean much but definitely a bizarre statement from Gardner.

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:43 AM
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Doesn't mean much, only that our QB had zero training and was hung out to get murdered all season.  That's all........
 
 



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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:43 AM
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Could explain part of the reason our RBs were terrible in pass pro last year. IDing is half the battle, and late identification of a linebacker usually means you're screwed as a RB.

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:10 AM
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Isn't the first time DG has dropped this nugget.
 
From back in July.....
 


"I'm ID'ing the Mike (linebacker) every single play now, and if I don't, Coach Nuss is gonna let me know about it. I'd never ID'd the Mike in my life," Gardner said. "I'm glad that (Nussmeier) came this year. I'm still learning the protections, the basics of it. I know everything that everybody does but it's gonna take through the summer for me to get better at it. I'd even picked Peyton's (Manning) brain about their protections ... It's hard to learn. We had the whole spring, and Coach Nuss forces you to learn. He's a very intense guy. He helped me a lot with it."

http://www.al.com/sports/...evin_gardner_prai.html
 
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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:53 AM
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DAMN that Borges...how the hell is he considered such an offensive genius

You know how we know this isn't true?  He's been out of a job since January and the new season starts next week.
 
Maybe Hoke considered him an offensive genius, but that's a company-you-keep situation.
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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:50 AM
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Are u suggesting Borges was just a product of his enviorment? Like being the smartest kid in the slow class?

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:53 PM
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I am not defending borges by any stretch but it seems like his O wasn't predicated on that type of read. There are nuisances to every Offense and some have different keys as it relates to blocking etc. Its great that he is identifying it because its a pro-styl O which at the next level he will need. But he was here during the RR spread which based on the formations may not need a read because there is no one to read because that LB is in coverage or they are playing nickel or dime coverages. So while I am glad Borges is gone Iw ould take the comment with a grain of salt in that this system is teaching him something new not necessarily mind blowing.... 

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:10 PM
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I am no means a fan of borgess, but Uneek1 makes a great point

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:29 PM
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I was unaware that Borges was running Rich Rods spread........No wonder nobody knew what the f**k was going on.


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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:03 PM
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It doesn't matter what scheme an offense runs because identifying the MIKE is very important.

AGAIN, the QB is identifying the MIKE because that sets up the entire blocking scheme. With formation shifts and variations in alignments, it's not always blatantly obvious who the MIKE is.
Teams don't intentionally just leave LBs unblocked.

Even zone blocking teams don't use zone blocking exclusively. And even in zone blocking, establishing the MIKE and alignment is very important because it determines what "zone" you have as well as the need to combo blocks and reach blocks.

Any team that I played for or coached or was associated with had a different term they used for MIKE (the free man). We still identify the MIKE every play so as to not make it obvious when you were running it or passing it.

It's important to note that when the QB calls out the MIKE, it is not necessarily what the defense considers the MIKE, nor is it necessarily even the MLB. When the QB calls out the MIKE, it is typical that the guy who is being singled out will get a lot of attention on that play (maybe they will run right at him, or away from him).

In passing plays, the MIKE is called out similarly for pass blocking reasons. Often when a team is in a max-protect scheme, the MIKE is called out to the RBs to let them know that they need to block him if he blitzes. The reason that this is important is that if the MIKE LB does not blitz, then the RB is often free to run a short route into the flat.

Also, the QB points to the MIKE for the benefit of the skill position guys who are looking for the snap of the ball. When he points the MIKE out it points to their blocking assignments. The center is normally responsible for making blocking assignment calls at the line for the OL. Thats why you see the center pointing and talking before the snap as well.

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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:08 PM
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I give the short version, Scottsdale gave the long version......LOL


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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:48 PM
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It should be noted that just because Devin was not responsible for identifying and calling out the MIKE to offensive unit does not mean he was not being identified and called out. Some offenses ask the center to make the calls, some another linemen, some a combination of the two. The center was responsible for making most of the calls under both Rich Rod/McGee and Hoke/Borges. Lewan assisted the center after Molk graduated.
 
Identifying the FS and "read" defender was the primary focus of the QB under Rich Rod, even though the QB was not responsible for physically making the calls to the line/backs. In most read-option spread offenses the QB identifies the FS first, coverage, and then the "read" defender. Depending on the offense they may or may not be responsible for calling these things out to unit as a whole. That's what they are personally responsible for knowing though.
 
*My own comment: You're QB better know who the d*mn MIKE is!!!
 
 
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Re:An amazing quote from Gardner - Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:07 PM
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Is Mike friends with DB? I don't get it....
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