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Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:29 PM
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On the two deep on offense (and a number of the positions are 3/4 deep) there is only ONE senior....
On D there are only 5............me thinks we will opening a can of whop ass very soon...thoughts?

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:42 PM
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From your keyboard to the football Gods' ears!!

I've made my stance on this very clear. Hoke basically started from ground zero and had to start completely over. It takes time for those freshmen to grow in strength and in the mental aspect as well.
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:44 PM
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I got his back this year still, I really hope he succeeds and dominates the BIG. I just think he shot himself in the foot with not replacing Funk....man, id be a lot more optimistic if that wouldve happened. Our line just cant be this bad still! seriously.

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:47 PM
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From your keyboard to the football Gods' ears!!

I've made my stance on this very clear. Hoke basically started from ground zero and had to start completely over. It takes time for those freshmen to grow in strength and in the mental aspect as well.



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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:07 AM
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From your keyboard to the football Gods' ears!!

I've made my stance on this very clear. Hoke basically started from ground zero and had to start completely over. It takes time for those freshmen to grow in strength and in the mental aspect as well.



 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:46 AM
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Started at ground zero huh?? Man if ground Zero was taking the previous regimes team and winning 11 games, a BCS bowl, an beating Ohio... Take me back to ground zero.

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:22 AM
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Wait till next year huh?
 

 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:26 AM
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by 2028, we are going to be awesome.........smh


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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:36 AM
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On the two deep on offense (and a number of the positions are 3/4 deep) there is only ONE senior....
On D there are only 5............me thinks we will opening a can of whop ass very soon...thoughts?

 
Whoa!  Let's not little things like objective data cloud our vision here, I've been told for weeks this team "isn't young" and that our coach couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag!  Nobody wants to discuss the veritable chasm in recruiting that preceded these last two lean seasons, the entirety of Michigan's problems from a program standpoint are with our head coach and offensive line coach!!!  /s  
 
I've been beating this drum for weeks: the defense will be outstanding, full stop.  The offense is not going to be the type that runs over opponents, but I think it will be serviceable in the setting of an outstanding defense and a schedule that doesn't exactly see us having to run a gauntlet of outstanding defensive teams.  I happen to be one of those fools who thinks Hoke does in fact know how to coach a football team, so I mean grain of salt here, but I happen to agree with your assessment. 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:44 AM
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Wait till next year huh?



6 out of the last 8 sure seem to suggest otherwise...
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 9:27 AM
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I'm sorry, Hoke & Co. could have 22 seniors on the field this year and I still wouldn't feel comfortable.  This staff has shown little to no ability to coach positional play so why would it matter?

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:06 AM
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We need go spend whatever amount of $$$ it will take to go hire Wiskys o line coach. There's a dude that can coach a BIG conference line!

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:17 AM
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We should be undefeated going into M$U. People talking 7-5/8-4 have not looked at the schedule. ND blows, and they have for awhile and now they *may* be without some starters. We are more talented than everyone on the schedule the first 7 games and the only one that's even close is ND. After that start we have IU, NW, and Maryland before O$U. I see no reason we can't win 10 games.
 
I think we're going to exceed popular expectations. The OL will be better (that's not saying much, but it literally cannot be worse), and I think the D is going to be aggressive like 2011 and lead this team. Our talent alone puts us in every game on the schedule and we have 2 of the top coordinators in all of CFB. It will take some time for the offense to gel and we may be in for some frustrating low-output performances, but if the defense can carry us early I think this could be the season that puts us on the trajectory we want to see. The talent is on campus now, and for once we're not relying on inexperienced players all across the field.
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:26 AM
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We should be undefeated going into M$U. People talking 7-5/8-4 have not looked at the schedule. ND blows, and they have for awhile and now they *may* be without some starters. We are more talented than everyone on the schedule the first 7 games and the only one that's even close is ND. After that start we have IU, NW, and Maryland before O$U. I see no reason we can't win 10 games.

I think we're going to exceed popular expectations. The OL will be better (that's not saying much, but it literally cannot be worse), and I think the D is going to be aggressive like 2011 and lead this team. Our talent alone puts us in every game on the schedule and we have 2 of the top coordinators in all of CFB. It will take some time for the offense to gel and we may be in for some frustrating low-output performances, but if the defense can carry us early I think this could be the season that puts us on the trajectory we want to see. The talent is on campus now, and for once we're not relying on inexperienced players all across the field.

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Spot on. If this is not the actual scenario that plays out, I will be firmly off the Hoke bus. 

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:50 AM
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I'm excited about the defense and the punting..........everything else is a mystery to me at this point.


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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 11:31 AM
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On the two deep on offense (and a number of the positions are 3/4 deep) there is only ONE senior....
On D there are only 5............me thinks we will opening a can of whop ass very soon...thoughts?


Whoa!  Let's not little things like objective data cloud our vision here, I've been told for weeks this team "isn't young" and that our coach couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag!  Nobody wants to discuss the veritable chasm in recruiting that preceded these last two lean seasons, the entirety of Michigan's problems from a program standpoint are with our head coach and offensive line coach!!!  /s  

I've been beating this drum for weeks: the defense will be outstanding, full stop.  The offense is not going to be the type that runs over opponents, but I think it will be serviceable in the setting of an outstanding defense and a schedule that doesn't exactly see us having to run a gauntlet of outstanding defensive teams.  I happen to be one of those fools who thinks Hoke does in fact know how to coach a football team, so I mean grain of salt here, but I happen to agree with your assessment. 

The problem is that you, and some others including Hoke, want recruiting circa 2008-2010 to serve as an excuse for the product on the field 2012-2016 (excluding 2011, which exists in some twilight dimension). While a case, albeit a weak one could be made for the 2012 and 2013 seasons, there is no basis in reality for assigning responsibility for the 2014 team on to anyone but Hoke and Co. You're crying over the 5% of guys recruited by the previous regime that have minimal impact on the current roster, while ignoring the 95% of guys recruited by the current staff that have the most impact.
 
Hoke's first half-class are seniors and you're still b*tching about Rich Rodriguez. How long are you going to beat that horse, 2020????
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:29 PM
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Bury your head in the sand all you want, fact remains Hoke walked into a program with numbers way off of where they should be in terms of position groups. He basically had zero O-Line, and contrary to what you keep screaming about you don't want to see OL until they are in their third year with the program, which we are finally seeing THIS year.

The past two season are a direct result of having no one on the roster ready to step into key positions on the team except young, inexperienced players.

The best part is you can scream, and whine, and cry aaaaaalllllllll you want but Hoke will still be the head coach next season. Thankfully we have an AD who understands the state if the program when Hoke came in and realizes you can't change something that bad in one season like you can on Xbox.
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:33 PM
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Its Pretty bad when you get excited over the defense and punting......lol

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:39 PM
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Except that's how Sweater Vest dominated the entire country and won a NC. Defense and punting.
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:45 PM
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Bury your head in the sand all you want, fact remains Hoke walked into a program with numbers way off of where they should be in terms of position groups. He basically had zero O-Line, and contrary to what you keep screaming about you don't want to see OL until they are in their third year with the program, which we are finally seeing THIS year.

The past two season are a direct result of having no one on the roster ready to step into key positions on the team except young, inexperienced players.

The best part is you can scream, and whine, and cry aaaaaalllllllll you want but Hoke will still be the head coach next season. Thankfully we have an AD who understands the state if the program when Hoke came in and realizes you can't change something that bad in one season like you can on Xbox.

No one gives a flying f**k about the past two season! The lines (plural) are a mess and we have few legit playmaking studs on either side of the ball. We all know it, the difference is who responsibility is placed on.
 
The off season is over, we're a week from the start of the season. It is THIS year.
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:24 PM
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I hate the excuse "we are young". EVERY damn program goes through young classes, the difference is that some know how to coach them up, and others don't. 

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 2:36 PM
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Bhf, sweater vest also had a stable of RBs too.

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:34 PM
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Wait, we don't have play makers? So what are Gardner, Funchess, Darbroh, Canteen, Green, Smith, Clark, Ryan, Countess, Pipkins, Peppers? Pylons?

That's right we are a week and a half till the season, so how about we actually let the team play a game before you all yell and scream about how bad we are? Ah, but I know how it will go-when we beat App State it will be "we should beat them, we didnt learn anything, we should of beaten them by more!" Then if we beat ND it will be "ND is always overrated, big deal they are without their 4 best players!" And on and on it will go.

Contrary to your doom and gloom yelling this program is not on life support. Is Hoke the long term answer? He very well might not be. However, if there is a new guy in the next season or too he will walk into a program fully loaded. Very unlike what Hoke walked into.
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:43 PM
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We have FEW legitimate playmakers, naming guys who came in with a lot if stars/hype but lack actual production does not prove that this team is loaded with studs. Darboh hasn't done a thing in a Michigan uniform, he's a practice legend. The same goes for the king of the preseason hype train Frank Clark who has a career 6.5 sacks to his name. Canteen, Smith, Green, Pipkins, none of those guys are proven commodities, all of them have A LOT to prove before anyone can label them a stud.
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:13 PM
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That's right we are a week and a half till the season, so how about we actually let the team play a game before you all yell and scream about how bad we are?

 
 
 
Coming from YOU, of all people.
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:14 PM
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That's right we are a week and a half till the season, so how about we actually let the team play a game before you all yell and scream about how bad we are?




Coming from YOU, of all people.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Cognitive dissonance dude, cognitive dissonance.

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:13 AM
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I hate the excuse "we are young". EVERY damn program goes through young classes, the difference is that some know how to coach them up, and others don't. 

 
Right, that's why Michigan State played 12% of their incoming freshmen last year, Michigan's most recent recruiting class had 50% see the field.  But sure, keep throwing out platitudes like "coach 'em up".  You have to build depth, depth builds competition, competition fosters improvement.  This isn't rocket science.  People are acting like we've got 2003/2004's offensive line out there and they aren't coached well.  I think that's.... inaccurate.
 
A recruit who arrived on campus in 2010 and redshirted would be.... yes that's right a RS Sr on the team right now!  Ok, and if you take that one step forward to 2011 when Hoke had one month to fill a recruiting class, those guys would be RS Jrs and Srs, but sure, go ahead and keep telling yourselves that those two classes and the lack of depth have no impact on this year's team.   Three completely new starters on the offensive line last year, as in had never taken a SINGLE SNAP on the OL as a starter, last year's offensive line had 57 starts between two guys.  
 
http://www.philsteele.com...13/JUN13/DBJune15.html
 
Let's find Michigan on this chart, I'll save you some time: they're 87th.  (Ohio 29th, Michigan State 14th)
 
http://www.philsteele.com...4/JUNE14/DBJune10.html
 
How about this one, for this year?  We're 107th.  Alabama is also 107th, but let's look further: their projected OL features 3 seniors, 1 junior and possibly a freshman.  Michigan's projected unit right now (with Glasgow) has 1 freshman, a sophomore, a redshirt sophomore, and 2 redshirt juniors...  One of those lines has developed within a system where they have the luxury of years (plural) before they see the field, the other is still working on getting there thanks to a lack of experienced depth overall.
 
So yes, the awful recruiting classes of 2010 and 2011 have had an impact on the development of this team: we have been forced to play freshmen earlier at positions where redshirting is enormously beneficial (like say the OL for instance).  
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:04 AM
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Yes let's use one example, of Alabama, who has been the most successful program over the last 5-7 years. That`ll show em!
 
Who are you trying to kid? There are a HOST of teams that don't start a SINGLE senior on their O-line (redshirt or otherwise). Where is it written that in order to have a functional O-line, that doesn't lead the country in negative plays, you must have 5 seniors? How do you think teams go on multi-year runs? You think they have a line full of seniors every year, all with starting experience?
 
Stanford goes into this year without a senior on it's offensive line. All 5 starters were members of Stanford's 2012 recruiting class (you know, the same class where Michigan signed 4 linemen).
 
North Carolina has zero seniors on it's offensive line.
 
UCLA has one senior (and 3 true sophomores).
 
Baylor has one senior.
 
Ole Miss has 1 senior
 
Notre Dame has one senior
 
The BULK of the players making up those offensive lines were 2012 and 2013 kids (the same period in which Michigan signed a whopping 10 linemen). Yet their lines aren't in shambles a week before the season. Their coaches aren't out in public "hoping for more consistency."
 
You would have us believe that for some unknown reason, Michigan is unable to produce a functional offensive line under the same conditions as everyone else? Sorry, not buying it.
 
 
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I hate the excuse "we are young". EVERY damn program goes through young classes, the difference is that some know how to coach them up, and others don't. 


Right, that's why Michigan State played 12% of their incoming freshmen last year, Michigan's most recent recruiting class had 50% see the field.  But sure, keep throwing out platitudes like "coach 'em up".  You have to build depth, depth builds competition, competition fosters improvement.  This isn't rocket science.  People are acting like we've got 2003/2004's offensive line out there and they aren't coached well.  I think that's.... inaccurate.

A recruit who arrived on campus in 2010 and redshirted would be.... yes that's right a RS Sr on the team right now!  Ok, and if you take that one step forward to 2011 when Hoke had one month to fill a recruiting class, those guys would be RS Jrs and Srs, but sure, go ahead and keep telling yourselves that those two classes and the lack of depth have no impact on this year's team.   Three completely new starters on the offensive line last year, as in had never taken a SINGLE SNAP on the OL as a starter, last year's offensive line had 57 starts between two guys.  

http://www.philsteele.com...13/JUN13/DBJune15.html

Let's find Michigan on this chart, I'll save you some time: they're 87th.  (Ohio 29th, Michigan State 14th)

http://www.philsteele.com...4/JUNE14/DBJune10.html

How about this one, for this year?  We're 107th.  Alabama is also 107th, but let's look further: their projected OL features 3 seniors, 1 junior and possibly a freshman.  Michigan's projected unit right now (with Glasgow) has 1 freshman, a sophomore, a redshirt sophomore, and 2 redshirt juniors...  One of those lines has developed within a system where they have the luxury of years (plural) before they see the field, the other is still working on getting there thanks to a lack of experienced depth overall.

So yes, the awful recruiting classes of 2010 and 2011 have had an impact on the development of this team: we have been forced to play freshmen earlier at positions where redshirting is enormously beneficial (like say the OL for instance).  


 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:21 AM
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Except that's how Sweater Vest dominated the entire country and won a NC. Defense and punting.

You're leaving a little something out, like an offensive line and a running game. OSU O-line didn't whiff every other play in 2002, they averaged 191ypg on the ground.
 
Even the best defenses get worn out if their offense sucks a$$.
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:11 AM
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someone let me know when we're out of the woods.......


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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:28 AM
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Man, I can't wait for the season to start so we can talk about ACTUAL football instead of over reacting to what went on in scrimmages 2 weeks before we start the season...
 
 

 

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:47 AM
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^^^^^^^ Wow someone making sense!

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Friday, August 22, 2014 8:31 AM
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MF4L: the OL doesn't require seniors, it requires experience, it requires not trotting out guys a year or two years before they should see the field.  It's hardly theory to state that OL is one of the most important positions for guys to develop into from an S&C standpoint as well as technique when they make the transition from high school to college football.  Let's just use the teams you pointed out as an example, here's where they ranked last year in rushing and the number of starts they had returning as well as this year's projected lines:
 
UCLA (34th in rushing): '13 75 combined starts, '14 88 combined starts
Baylor (12th in rushing): '13 42 combined starts, '14 64 combined starts
Ole Miss (41st in rushing): '13 82 combined starts, '14 61 combined starts
ND (75th in rushing): '13 78 combined starts, '14 54 combined starts
UNC (78th in rushing): '13 55 combined starts, '14 44 combined starts
Michigan (103rd in rushing): '13 58 combined starts, '14 37 combined starts
Stanford (18th in rushing): '13 82 combined starts, '14 26 combined starts *Replacing 4 starters off the 2013 team
 
Baylor stands as the outlier in terms of starts to rushing yards, but I would posit that's related to the offensive system, otherwise there's a fairly strong correlation here just using the teams you mentioned between experience on the OL and success rushing the football.  Again, I'm not saying a line needs to be all seniors, but it certainly is in a better position to succeed with experienced guys who had time to redshirt and develop within the system before they see the field.
 
Edit: clicked post somehow, my apologies.
 
 
 
 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Friday, August 22, 2014 11:31 AM
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You`ll get no disagreement from me that more experienced lines generally play better, that's pretty straight forward. The nature of college sports/eligibility prevents you from having an experienced line every year. Guys graduate and leave for the NFL meaning the experience on your line comes and goes. A team that goes on a 2-4 year successful run will have cycled through 2 lines that weren't highly experienced, that's just the nature of the beast. Every team in the country has to get groups filled with first time starters (whether upperclassmen or underclassmen) ready to play without game reps. I wouldn't expect a unit full of first year starters to the best they`ll ever be the first year but they should be functional if you've done your job developing talent (hell UCLA was starting 3 true freshmen by the middle of the year and finished in the top half of the country in rushing and sacks allowed). How do you think other teams prepare first year starters and produce efficient offensive lines with few returners? Returning 4 or 5 starters on an offensive line is a luxury not many teams have.
 
This is where things fall off the rails with Michigan. We sit with a line in disarray because of the poor job we've done developing talent. The current line should have a lot more experience than it current does, but doesn't because of the poor job we did with the unit last year. We should be going into the year with 3 returning interior linemen with a season's worth of starts under their belt. The problem is we don't and this is where coaching comes in. We didn't have 3 guys ready to play this time last year and played musical chairs up front throughout the season. That all amounted to us preventing the very guys we should be depending on in 2014 from gaining experience and getting better. Provided that Kyle Kalis takes the RG spot between now and August 30th he will be the only true returning starter from the last game of last season, and we only lost 2 starters. He would also be the only returning member of the first O-line unit from the spring. We've redshirted every offensive linemen we've signed with the exception of Mason Cole and Kyle Bosch who both enrolled in the spring and got a head start. These aren't greenhorns who we thrown into the fire asked to contribute from day 1. They've been brought along slowly for 2.5 years, they should be ready to play at a high level RIGHT NOW.
 
From a development standpoint these are self-inflicted wounds that have cascaded on each other to produce the O-line unit we have at the present (entering 2014). They have zero to do with recruiting, if you can't produced 5 solid starters out of group of 10-12 players who are in years 2, 3, and 4 it's your own fault.
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MF4L: the OL doesn't require seniors, it requires experience, it requires not trotting out guys a year or two years before they should see the field.  It's hardly theory to state that OL is one of the most important positions for guys to develop into from an S&C standpoint as well as technique when they make the transition from high school to college football.  Let's just use the teams you pointed out as an example, here's where they ranked last year in rushing and the number of starts they had returning as well as this year's projected lines:

UCLA (34th in rushing): '13 75 combined starts, '14 88 combined starts
Baylor (12th in rushing): '13 42 combined starts, '14 64 combined starts
Ole Miss (41st in rushing): '13 82 combined starts, '14 61 combined starts
ND (75th in rushing): '13 78 combined starts, '14 54 combined starts
UNC (78th in rushing): '13 55 combined starts, '14 44 combined starts
Michigan (103rd in rushing): '13 58 combined starts, '14 37 combined starts
Stanford (18th in rushing): '13 82 combined starts, '14 26 combined starts *Replacing 4 starters off the 2013 team

Baylor stands as the outlier in terms of starts to rushing yards, but I would posit that's related to the offensive system, otherwise there's a fairly strong correlation here just using the teams you mentioned between experience on the OL and success rushing the football.  Again, I'm not saying a line needs to be all seniors, but it certainly is in a better position to succeed with experienced guys who had time to redshirt and develop within the system before they see the field.

Edit: clicked post somehow, my apologies.






 
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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Friday, August 22, 2014 12:22 PM
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^^^ what this guy said, + 100,251

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Saturday, August 23, 2014 10:29 AM
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No matter how we tilt it, there's absolutely no way of getting around the obvious: there has been little to NO talent development in this program for years and at virtually every position, not just the O line (although that is certainly the most obvious).  The QB play has been all over the map, no real RB has stepped up for I don't know how long, outside of Gallon the WR spot has been mediocre at best, the D line has been just this side of terrible, outside of Jake Ryan the LB's have been average at best, (and I'm being generous) and the same goes for the secondary, with a few single game bright spots here and there.  Young, inexperienced, 5th year senior, 5 star recruit, red shirt freshman, bad OC, the AD is a moron, Hoke this-Hoke that and all the other stuff just goes into one big pot to produce a big bowl of sh** stew.  There's a lot to consider and look at but at the end of the day talent development sits squarely at #1. (It sure as sh** ain't recruiting.)  The REAL question and the one that matters is: when does it end?  

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Re:Between this year and next....Michigan will be out of the woods... - Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:31 PM
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10 and 0 ya know
LETS GET BACK TO WINNING