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De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:31 AM
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Not a huge shock. Smith has always looked like a more natural runner and was ahead coming out of the spring. I expect both to play but if Green doesn't become harder to tackle his value decreases


New offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier made it clear this spring that he plans to feature multiple backs during games this season in the team's new running scheme. By doing so, Nussmeier and Hoke are hoping their stable of runners can maintain health and fresh legs for a longer period of time this season.
 
But while multiple players will see time, there will still likely be a lead runner week in and week out. And as Michigan prepares to open fall camp next Monday, Hoke says that runner -- as of now -- is sophomore De'Veon Smith.

 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:47 AM
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Hopefully we finally have a true RB by committee this year. One thing I have noticed from a lot of depth chart predictions from people in the know echos what I have thought all off-season: we have a lot of guys that are Big Ten caliber football players, but not a lot of standouts. Statements like by committee, heavy competition, any 1 of the 3 could start, etc. all show that we have depth but no one has separated themselves. These statements could all be said about RB, WR beyond Funchess, TE, OL, DT, WLB, and SS. 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:47 AM
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De'Veon has a little bit of an "edge" to himself which will serve him well.
 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:07 AM
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I always thought that Green was getting a lot of hype, while Smith was being overlooked by some. I still see Green as a very important part of our RB unit & knowing how Nussmeier likes to use multi-backs in his system, I'm sure Green will get his fair share of carries.
 
Don't really care who's declared our #1 RB...as long as both Green & Smith are productive!!
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:15 AM
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they'll probably be 1A and 1B.  Coach Nuss doesn't seem to have his head up his arse like Borges and won't refuse to rotate backs in and out.


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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:58 PM
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I always thought that Green was getting a lot of hype, while Smith was being overlooked by some. I still see Green as a very important part of our RB unit & knowing how Nussmeier likes to use multi-backs in his system, I'm sure Green will get his fair share of carries.

Don't really care who's declared our #1 RB...as long as both Green & Smith are productive!!

I am on board with you as well. I foresee Green slipping out altogether and an unknown guy emerge. Smith is a decent back but In the old days he would be a 2nd stringer at best but to me he showed more potential than Green. Green cant run over anyone and cant make anyone miss last time I checked those were pre-req's for a RB.
 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:05 PM
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Both will do fine. Amazing how quickly people jump off ship after freshman seasons.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:36 PM
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I wouldn't say I've given up on Green. I've dropped the idea of him being an TJ Yeldon/Marcus Lattimore/Todd Gurley/Trent Richardson/Isaiah Crowell type guy as you`d hope for from a top 5 guy at his position coming out (#1 on most lists).
 
If they pop, it's usually right away, as opposed to having to wait 2-3 years (barring injury/off the field things).
 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:39 PM
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Love D. Smith as a back, I feel his a bit quicker and a better all around back than Green who feels more like Kevin Grady to me. I hope not and I'm only judging on feel, so we'll see.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:10 PM
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Uneek - How can you say Smith would only be a second stringer in the old days? He just finished his FRESHMAN year for Pete's sake!

See what he does this year....
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:28 PM
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Yeah I'm giving the kids their due time, could develop into somebody we highlight for the next twenty years for their greatness or another grady 5* buster. I think green rode into town on his HS acolates only to find himself outmatched by a large margin. It appears he hit the weight room hard this off season. Might pay off big time.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:27 AM
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I should say, I don't think he'll be Grady in that he'll be a bust, but that he'll be the big back with some ability that will be a grinder and struggle to ever live up to the hype. Not a full blown bust but Deveon will be our stud IMO. I hope I'm wrong and they're a Bama like RB combo, but I don't think that'll be the case.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:42 AM
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Hell after last season id take a average grinding style rb in a heartbeat! Lol

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 8:58 AM
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Easy because to be the #1 rated back in the country he didn't show anything like that last year. He ran scared and soft and frankly I am not sold on him. It doesn't take 5 star back 2 years to make a difference right away. In fact its probably the easiest position on offense to excel in right away granted the OL was horrible but even still watch how he ran last year. Atrain, Hart, wheatly, were all guys who were highly touted out of high school and performed their Freshman year.
 
IMO he has a short leash I hope he proves me wrong

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:51 AM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He also had Al Borges as his OC who thought Fitz T would somehow return to his form of his 1000 yard sophomore season but kept feeding him the rock anyways...

And he also had to deal with an o line trying to figure out how to run the complex blocking schemes set in place by one Al Borges...

Oh and there's the fact that D Green was playing heavy all last season...

Bottom line, I'm willing to give Green the benefit of the doubt in seeing how the new leaner version does working with a new OC who seems to do a pretty good job at developing quality RB's...

 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:56 AM
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There are examples of both ways. I have brought up Carlos Hyde many times as a top rated RB who did NOTHING his first two seasons, and then there's guys like TJ Yeldon who bursted onto the scene right away. Lot of factors going into it. If I see the same issues with Green this year then the hope dwindles. 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:32 AM
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Al was a huge f-ing problem last year.  I note the one game where Green got a few carries, he looked decent.  Al's constant lineup changes never let this offense get any flow.  If it did not work the first time, Al would switch the personal and try again.
 
I am pretty sure we are going to see how terrible Big Al was last year.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:52 AM
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The thing with Green I was waiting on was flashes. No one was going to produce big numbers with the line the offense in the shape that it was but what you're hoping to see is flashes of elite ability. At no point last year did show anything that would lead me to believe he was on his way to being an elite college back.

The fact that he's still behind Smith, who was in his same class just furthers the point. Now that doesn't mean that Green can't be a productive RB. Todd Gurley he is NOT though IMO and I'm perfectly comfortable saying that even after a year and a spring.
 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:16 PM
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40% of the top 5 RBs in each class since 2010 (Rivals) have went over 500 yards in their freshman year. The ones that did usually went way over. In 2013, only one did. Patience. 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 12:41 PM
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Still wish we landed Fournette

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:08 PM
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Let me clarify my point a little. I do think Green will have the chance and has the ability to be a productive college player. By his play last year he really could've used a redshirt. Nothing about his play last year gave me any confidence whatsoever in the future. understandable he had internal issues that contributed some I will give him that.
 
With that said with the weight loss and the one year he needs to show and prove. New system with two back capabilities means he will get his touches. Now he has to run hard and he didn't show any of that last year for a guy that was 240.
 
I am more than willing to give him a second chance but he has to step up!!

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:04 PM
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Green was an 18 year old kid last year who wasnt ready to live up to all the hype....lets give him a chance to be a football player shall we?

And really does it even matter who is the no. 1? If Nuss runs it like he did at Bama both will get a fair amount of touches.
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:06 PM
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Green was an 18 year old kid last year who wasnt ready to live up to all the hype....lets give him a chance to be a football player shall we?

And really does it even matter who is the no. 1? If Nuss runs it like he did at Bama both will get a fair amount of touches.

 
Preach! Agree on both points. 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:34 PM
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Still wish we landed Fournette

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:36 PM
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Make that Smith and Drake Johnson ahead of Green

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:38 PM
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yeah, I read similar article on Rivals today. Drake sporting the #20 too, cant all be bad!!

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:41 PM
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:26 PM
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How anyone can forecast the career trajectory of any of the freshmen backs after last year escapes me, particularly when you take into account the offensive line play or complete lack thereof in front of them along with the offensive system.  Chris Perry was one of the most frustrating backs I've seen in a Michigan uniform for the better part of three seasons before he became a Heisman finalist and Walter Camp award winner, sometimes it takes some time for a player to develop.  I'll take Green, Smith, Isaac, et al all battling it out for reps and each making each other work that much harder.  For what it's worth the few glimpses of actual running with something resembling decent blocking showed a lot of promise for both Green and Smith IMO.  
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 1:05 AM
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How anyone can forecast the career trajectory of any of the freshmen backs after last year escapes me, particularly when you take into account the offensive line play or complete lack thereof in front of them along with the offensive system.  Chris Perry was one of the most frustrating backs I've seen in a Michigan uniform for the better part of three seasons before he became a Heisman finalist and Walter Camp award winner, sometimes it takes some time for a player to develop.  I'll take Green, Smith, Isaac, et al all battling it out for reps and each making each other work that much harder.  For what it's worth the few glimpses of actual running with something resembling decent blocking showed a lot of promise for both Green and Smith IMO.  

 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 7:12 AM
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Chris Perry wasn't the #1 RB in the nation and he had the unfortunate position of being buried in Fred Jackson's one back rotation. Those guys rarely if ever take 3yrs to contribute, much less pull ahead of guys from their same class.

Look around college football, the truly gifted players (as Green is suppose to be) are playing earlier and earlier. No one is looking for him to be a Heisman candidate. Being 3rd on the depth chart is unacceptable though.
 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 8:23 AM
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Again this is reported on the first week of practice. I have heard other reports about Smith and Green as the front runners. As long as they're producing I'm all for it.
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 8:56 AM
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I heard it last year Ben Braden was a lock and stud at guard last year, yet I barely saw him play.
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 9:12 AM
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How anyone can forecast the career trajectory of any of the freshmen backs after last year escapes me, particularly when you take into account the offensive line play or complete lack thereof in front of them along with the offensive system.  Chris Perry was one of the most frustrating backs I've seen in a Michigan uniform for the better part of three seasons before he became a Heisman finalist and Walter Camp award winner, sometimes it takes some time for a player to develop.  I'll take Green, Smith, Isaac, et al all battling it out for reps and each making each other work that much harder.  For what it's worth the few glimpses of actual running with something resembling decent blocking showed a lot of promise for both Green and Smith IMO.  


No question the line was bad and I am willing to give him the benefit on that area as it relates to running However it didn't take a rocket scientist to look at him and saw that he ran soft and that's not something that you can easily correct. To me he played timid and did not show anything that he was hyped up about. Now again he was a freshman and I am routing for him to prove me wrong. But from just his skill set he does portray right now any semblance of a 5 star RB. Perfect Example I was watching the Minn or one of the games from last year UM had first an goal on the one gave it to him and he lost two yards not due to the line but because he tip toes thru the hole. No way a 240 RB at any level should lose two yards on the goal line unless the whole line just collapsed. Which they did most season but not on the play.
 
So again for me its the skill set not so much the other stuff 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 9:15 AM
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Is Green...Kevin Grady 2.0?

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 9:20 AM
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Green will get plenty of opportunities and these early reports out of practice don't mean anything.  I agree that he was far too easy to tackle last year and he ran behind probably the worst O line I've ever seen at Michigan but that was last year.  This is this year and this year hasn't even started so no sense pushing the panic button on this kid.  Yet.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 9:30 AM
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Chris Perry wasn't the #1 RB in the nation and he had the unfortunate position of being buried in Fred Jackson's one back rotation. Those guys rarely if ever take 3yrs to contribute, much less pull ahead of guys from their same class.

Look around college football, the truly gifted players (as Green is suppose to be) are playing earlier and earlier. No one is looking for him to be a Heisman candidate. Being 3rd on the depth chart is unacceptable though.

 
Compare the O-lines some of those top rated RB's have had to run behind to what Green and Smith had to run behind last season.  I'll just point to Alabama as a case in point.  Look at what Trent Richardson did running behind a dominating offensive line.  Were his numbers a result of him being a dominant running back or more a result of having one of the best offensive lines in college football history to run behind? I'd say judging by his lack of production since he left Alabama, I'd lean towards the later...


 

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 9:37 AM
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The thing is, it's not just an early fall camp report. It's an early fall camp report stacked on top of a spring report, stacked on top of last year's report. Could Green suddenly shoot to the top of the RB chart coming out of fall? Sure, but how likely a scenario is that? If Isaac somehow gets cleared to play who knows where that`ll leave Green.
 
The contrast between what Michigan is saying about Green and what LSU is saying about Leonard Fournette (this year's top freshman RB) is telling. There's no pumping the breaks going on in Baton Rouge.
 
BTW, we're no longer talking about Green the freshman RB. He's a sophomore now.
 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 10:04 AM
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The thing is, it's not just an early fall camp report. It's an early fall camp report stacked on top of a spring report, stacked on top of last year's report. Could Green suddenly shoot to the top of the RB chart coming out of fall? Sure, but how likely a scenario is that? If Isaac somehow gets cleared to play who knows where that`ll leave Green.

The contrast between what Michigan is saying about Green and what LSU is saying about Leonard Fournette (this year's top freshman RB) is telling. There's no pumping the breaks going on in Baton Rouge.

BTW, we're no longer talking about Green the freshman RB. He's a sophomore now.

 
That's just talk right now.  And who knows, quietly (yet publicly) dropping Green to the 3rd spot could be a pure motivational ploy on Hoke's part.  Carr did it with Edwards and more than a few others so let's see it play out.  Do I share your concerns?  Absolutely.  He didn't look like any 5-star back I've seen in recent memory last year but that was last year.  And frankly, I don't trust that these coaches even know what they're looking at (but that's a whole different conversation.)  I'm willing to wait & see because there's nothing else to do at this point.

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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 10:16 AM
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Chris Perry wasn't the #1 RB in the nation and he had the unfortunate position of being buried in Fred Jackson's one back rotation. Those guys rarely if ever take 3yrs to contribute, much less pull ahead of guys from their same class.

Look around college football, the truly gifted players (as Green is suppose to be) are playing earlier and earlier. No one is looking for him to be a Heisman candidate. Being 3rd on the depth chart is unacceptable though.


Compare the O-lines some of those top rated RB's have had to run behind to what Green and Smith had to run behind last season.  I'll just point to Alabama as a case in point.  Look at what Trent Richardson did running behind a dominating offensive line.  Were his numbers a result of him being a dominant running back or more a result of having one of the best offensive lines in college football history to run behind? I'd say judging by his lack of production since he left Alabama, I'd lean towards the later...

I don't knock Green for the lack of production, there's a lot that goes into that. Coming in overweight is all on him, being easy to tackle is all on him, finishing runs is all on him, vision is all on him, pass protection is all on him. Smith is playing with the same O-line after all.
 
p.s You can't compare a players college worth based on their NFL production. It's a different game. There are a lot of great college players that do nothing in the professional ranks. Richardson's individual performance in college is unquestioned. Sure having that great O-line boosted his performance (as with all backs) but he did more than the average on his own. His line didn't give him burst, they didn't make moves in the open field, they didn't run over defenders, they didn't catch the ball, they didn't pickup blitzers that he was assigned, etc.
 
You're telling me that THIS is a product of the offensive line vs. individual talent????? I just don't buy it
 

 
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Re:De'Veon Smith will likely enter camp as the No. 1 RB - Monday, August 11, 2014 11:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure LSU's offensive line isn't a complete mess either.  That helps


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