What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory

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What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:12 AM
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It's one thing to lose to Ohio State, which Michigan has done plenty of recently. The Buckeyes are another one of college football's historically premier programs. The so-called Ten-Year War between Bo Schembechler and Woody Hayes featured some of the most memorable games between the programs. 
 
But Michigan State's rise under head coach Mark Dantonio? The Spartans land a few 4-star prospects every year and even the occasional 5-star player. But, largely, Dantonio and his staff find 3-star recruits who can play, fit their system and develop them. 
 
"It sucks," Callihan said. "They're just better." 

 
There's an epic quote for you 
 
 
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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:00 PM
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As much as I love the guy, make no mistake Brady Hoke is no Nick Saban.  No matter what we "learn" from Alabama we will never be as good as Alabama is under Saban because of coaching.
 
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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:59 PM
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Learn from bama.....hmmmm maybe hire a moo u coach? Is dtonio unhappy over there? Lol

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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Wednesday, June 18, 2014 2:49 PM
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Alabama fired several coaches before they landed Saban. Who initially wasn't interested in the job but their AD wouldn't take no for an answer.
 
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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Wednesday, June 18, 2014 5:58 PM
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But still, the point remains.......lol

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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Friday, June 20, 2014 3:47 AM
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What can Michigan learn from Alabama?
 
Plenty. Like it pays to have an athletic department that is willing to pay any amount of money to get the best coach in the world, regardless of any previous connection to the university.
 
It pays to have that coach run the program like an NFL franchise, where the weaker players get processed off of the team because they're not pulling their weight and the next batch of kids are coming in and there's a scholarship limit you have to get under.
 
It pays to have a network of supremely influential and skilled boosters turned loose on the recruiting trail, greasing the palms of the people connected to the best recruits all over the South. If it's a kid who needs help with grades, hey, we can set you up with a high school a little closer to us with friendlier teachers who know the deal and will make sure you graduate with qualifying grades and test scores.
 
It pays to have boosters willing to toss money around under the guise of altruism. Hey, random high school in Orlando! Here's a bunch of money to let us use your football facilities for bowl prep and a complete renovation while you're at it. Oh, and those two five-star recruits currently playing for you that we're coming for? Well....heh. Same thing goes for you, elite private school in Maryland who has been good to us as well.
 
It pays to have a system in place dedicated to getting your players the best performance enhancing drugs that money can buy, because you're paying the coach and his staff a lot, so you might as well make sure you get the ultimate return on your investment. Oh, the NCAA? Who gives a ****, they don't have tests for human growth hormone. Our players just look like 10-year NFL vets on Saturday because they train hard. Wink wink nudge nudge.
 
And of course, we can't be letting those players' contributions go for naught, too. So we'll set them up with fancy suits and Dodge Chargers, etc. They'll be well taken care of. NCAA has questions? **** em. Prove it, you toothless losers.
 
......Now, what can Michigan learn from Alabama's return to glory that they can actually use for themselves?
 
Not much of anything.

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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Friday, June 20, 2014 8:36 AM
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It's easy, and frankly convenient, to dismiss Alabama away as just a cheater. The situation is not that cut and dry. In a climate where everyone cheats, everyone has bag men, and everyone greases palms, you have to look at what is actually different about Alabama (and a few other schools). What separates Alabama from say LSU, which has arguably a slimier coach, a better recruiting base, and the same recruiting climate? Alabama isn't the only school that trims the fat from the roster every spring. Less we forget, Saban took over an Alabama program that was on probation and coming off a bowl ban and scholarship reductions for recruiting violations. If you're interested, google Albert Means or Logan Young and see what you find. The system has been in place for 20 years yet Alabama didn't win at nearly the level it currently is.
 
EF hit the nail on the head with his first point. The difference is Alabama being willing to do whatever it took to get Saban. The difference is Saban and the cadre of coaches and football ops people he surrounds himself with.
 
The lesson to be learned is, get your man and don't settle for less. We wouldn't be having this conversation had DB landed Harbaugh. DB was willing to take no for an answer when Alabama wasn't.
 
 
 
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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Friday, June 20, 2014 12:27 PM
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The lesson to be learned is, get your man and don't settle for less. We wouldn't be having this conversation had DB landed Harbaugh. DB was willing to take no for an answer when Alabama wasn't.

Bill Martin seemed less willing to take no for an answer, we'd have to assume. RR was a hot coach for a few years, and rumored to be in the running for many jobs in that time only stay stay put at WVU and get extensions. He finally jumped ship presumably because Martin had whiffed at least once on Miles (and maybe also on Ferentz and Schiano) and wasn't going to be told no again.

I don't think it was a particularly good hire because it seemed rushed and desperate, but at least he tried to make a splash. Brandon was turned down by Harbaugh publicly (and maybe a couple other guys privately) and then clearly settled for Hoke. When you settle, you get what you deserve because you don't believe you deserve any better.

Not even sure where I was going with this post as the RR experiment was certainly not more successful than the current tire fire, but it still grinds my gears how badly Brandon botched every aspect of the search and then stood up to introduce Hoke expecting us to believe his equivocating.

Course, I'd be much more okay with that if the last 2 seasons weren't such a disaster and it appeared the program was improving.

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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Thursday, July 03, 2014 10:10 AM
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Nussmeier knows one of the biggest of the reasons why Brady Hoke hired him in January was to fix the run game. And step by step, he's in the process of trying to do just that.
 
"We're young, 76 of our players are freshmen or sophomores. It's important for us to make things simple enough to get them to play on a high level, and getting the running game going is one of the reasons coach Hoke brought me here," Nussmeier added. "We want to work with our guys on why we're doing what we're doing, and (stress that we have to) play fast. The simpler we are, the better we're going to be at that."

 
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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Thursday, July 03, 2014 11:23 AM
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The number 76 is already a built in excuse which is a lie-- the actual breakdown of scholarship players which is all that matters:
Freshman- 16
RS Freshman- 14
Sophomore- 14
RS Sophomore- 14 (Kenny Allen?)
That's 58 sophomores and below--59 if Allen has one.
Junior- 10
RS Junior- 5 (Kerridge? Glasgow)
Senior- 6
RS Senior- 3 (Burzynski?)
That's 24 juniors and above--27 if those three have scholarships.


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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:37 PM
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The number 76 is already a built in excuse which is a lie-- the actual breakdown of scholarship players which is all that matters:
Freshman- 16
RS Freshman- 14
Sophomore- 14
RS Sophomore- 14 (Kenny Allen?)
That's 58 sophomores and below--59 if Allen has one.
Junior- 10
RS Junior- 5 (Kerridge? Glasgow)
Senior- 6
RS Senior- 3 (Burzynski?)
That's 24 juniors and above--27 if those three have scholarships.


That's the first thing I thought when I read that.  But that's part of the new coach orientation at Michigan: learn the fight song, quote Bo when and if possible, tell them you have some exotic blitz packages you'll be rolling out this year and you'll be pressuring the QB more than ever (for the D coaches), and you're going to stretch the field and throw the ball more (for the O coaches.)  Oh, and don't forget Rule #1.  ALWAYS tell them "we're young and inexperienced".  Now here, drink this.  Now, repeat Rule #1.

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Re:What Michigan Can Learn from Alabama's Return to Football Glory - Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:25 PM
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^^ haha u must be an insider of the Hoke regime.....lol quit leaking all the secrets! Jeez