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Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Friday, June 06, 2014 11:03 AM
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But as Michigan prepares to rebuild its offensive line for next season Lewan’s graduation may be a case of addition by subtraction.
His talent may be missed, but his bad penalties and off-the-field drama won’t be.
 

 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 10:00 AM
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Replacing star tackle Taylor Lewan, who was taken with the 11th pick in this years' NFL draft, might seem like an impossible task. But, in truth, Michigan might be better off without Lewan, whom despite having first-round NFL talent was a distraction both on and off the field.


I think the guy was a selfish prick and it spread through that team like a wildfire. Now that Lewan is gone, things should get better.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 10:31 AM
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Yeah to me he was a major disappointment in his last year and was never a leader IMO.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 11:08 AM
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You guys are full of it. There is no way a first round draft pick was a detrement to the team last year. The sole blame lays with an offensive coordinator that was to fancy and thought he could out smart defensive coordinators. Lewan's off the field issues were no different then any other college kid would have

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 12:18 PM
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Yes, because 3 charges of assault and involvement in an alleged rape case are issues that are "no different than any other college kid would have".  Right.  Lewan was obviously talented but he played better his junior year and when you throw in the drama, off-field issues, and stupid penalties and cheap shots, I can understand the discussion.  He was so far from what a captain should be it's stupid.  The poor play of the O line falls completely at the feet of Funk, not the OC, but I can live without the rest of the stuff.  Lewan is a punk-good luck in the NFL.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:18 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.

I expect the line to produce better numbers this year this last, but not because Lewan is gone and I expect a MAJOR drop off in play from LT position.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:41 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.

I expect the line to produce better numbers this year this last, but not because Lewan is gone and I expect a MAJOR drop off in play from LT position.


This couldn't be further from the truth...
 
With that being said, I agree completely with you that just because he's a bad person and poor leader doesn't mean that the line will be better off without him.
 
BTW, long time no talk. Hope everyone is doing well.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:45 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.


That's just it, he wasn't a model teammate and could've gave 2 sh*ts about the young linemen or anyone else on the team. He had great talent; however, his body and head were never in it together. He is/was one of the least liked Wolverine players in a long time.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:52 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.


That's just it, he wasn't a model teammate and could've gave 2 sh*ts about the young linemen or anyone else on the team. He had great talent; however, his body and head were never in it together. He is/was one of the least liked Wolverine players in a long time.

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That goes against everything his coaches and teammates said. Now maybe they were just blowing smoke but both Ben Braden and Mags said on numerous occasions that Lewan went out of his way to help them both in the off season and during spring and fall camp.
 
A knuckle head for sure, especially off the field, but I've seen or heard nothing to suggest he wasn't a great teammate as far as dealing with the younger guys.
 
To me it's akin to saying the Lions would be better off without NDamukong Suh. In some areas maybe, but ultimately when you add everything up, even with the headache the guy helps you more than he hurts. If we're bleeding off the left side of the line next year I don't see how anyone can argue we're better off.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:59 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.


That's just it, he wasn't a model teammate and could've gave 2 sh*ts about the young linemen or anyone else on the team. He had great talent; however, his body and head were never in it together. He is/was one of the least liked Wolverine players in a long time.

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That goes against everything his coaches and teammates said. Now maybe they were just blowing smoke but both Ben Braden and Mags said on numerous occasions that Lewan went out of his way to help them both in the off season and during spring and fall camp.

A knuckle head for sure, especially off the field, but I've seen or heard nothing to suggest he wasn't a great teammate as far as dealing with the younger guys.

To me it's akin to saying the Lions would be better off without NDamukong Suh. In some areas maybe, but ultimately when you add everything up, even with the headache the guy helps you more than he hurts. If we're bleeding off the left side of the line next year I don't see how anyone can argue we're better off.

 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 6:25 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.

I expect the line to produce better numbers this year this last, but not because Lewan is gone and I expect a MAJOR drop off in play from LT position.


This couldn't be further from the truth...

With that being said, I agree completely with you that just because he's a bad person and poor leader doesn't mean that the line will be better off without him.

BTW, long time no talk. Hope everyone is doing well.


Good to have you back and I see you're starting right where you left off, arguing with MichFan...haha

Hope all is well...

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 6:40 PM
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If you're asking me whether I think this team will be better off without a top 15 pick protecting the blind side and replaced by a first year starter I'd say you are deceiving yourself. By all accounts Taylor Lewan was a model teammate who helped bring along the young linemen. Lewan's issues off the field had zero to do with the play of the line IMO.


That's just it, he wasn't a model teammate and could've gave 2 sh*ts about the young linemen or anyone else on the team. He had great talent; however, his body and head were never in it together. He is/was one of the least liked Wolverine players in a long time.

Go Blue!!

That goes against everything his coaches and teammates said. Now maybe they were just blowing smoke but both Ben Braden and Mags said on numerous occasions that Lewan went out of his way to help them both in the off season and during spring and fall camp.

A knuckle head for sure, especially off the field, but I've seen or heard nothing to suggest he wasn't a great teammate as far as dealing with the younger guys.

To me it's akin to saying the Lions would be better off without NDamukong Suh. In some areas maybe, but ultimately when you add everything up, even with the headache the guy helps you more than he hurts. If we're bleeding off the left side of the line next year I don't see how anyone can argue we're better off.


In the Lions thread, you said the Lions should let Suh walk...haha

Regarding our OL, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I'm not going to pin all our OL problems on Lewan, but we struggled mightily with cohesiveness and leadership last year and Lewan was a big reason why. Sometimes it just doesn't work and that's okay. Guys will hopefully be bigger, stronger, smarter and willing to trust each other this season. Fundamentally, that need to dramatically improve too.

Side note...I have no stats to back this up or done any research, but I would be curious to see where all our sacks and pressures came from and why? I'm guessing the majority came from up the gut or right side, but was that because Lewan didn't allow anyone to get past him or because everyone but him was a SIV so teams attacked our interior and right sides more and Lewan didn't face as much pressure. I don't know, I was just thinking about it today.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:32 PM
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As much as I would love to pin this on that jack*ss of an OC we just got rid of, this is obviously a Funk problem. Until he is replaced, I expect minimal improvements at best. I wouldnt be surprised if we see another year of decline.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Monday, June 09, 2014 8:38 AM
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I`m for TRADING Suh for financial reasons, I would never just let him walk. Same with Lewan, he has more value on the team than off it.
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In the Lions thread, you said the Lions should let Suh walk...haha

Regarding our OL, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I'm not going to pin all our OL problems on Lewan, but we struggled mightily with cohesiveness and leadership last year and Lewan was a big reason why. Sometimes it just doesn't work and that's okay. Guys will hopefully be bigger, stronger, smarter and willing to trust each other this season. Fundamentally, that need to dramatically improve too.

Side note...I have no stats to back this up or done any research, but I would be curious to see where all our sacks and pressures came from and why? I'm guessing the majority came from up the gut or right side, but was that because Lewan didn't allow anyone to get past him or because everyone but him was a SIV so teams attacked our interior and right sides more and Lewan didn't face as much pressure. I don't know, I was just thinking about it today.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Monday, June 09, 2014 10:35 AM
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I sat in the first row behind the bench for the game at Iowa, and that told me all I needed to know about Taylor Lewan. He was not a leader. He spent 90% of his time on the stationary bike as soon as he got off of the field. The game was slipping away in the second half and everyone was just standing there around the heater watching it happen. No talk on the sidelines- no strategizing....just a bunch of guys standing and watching us slowly lose the game. We had a young team that could have used a lead voice to rally the troops, and we had none.
 
I for one am happy to see Lewan go. My greater concern is that this team needs to find a bonding voice...a leader that isn't a coach. I certainly didn't see one last season. This group is still young and could use someone with some fire and leadership skills.  If we don't get someone to get this group together, I fear we may have more of the same this year.
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Monday, June 09, 2014 10:48 AM
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Criticize Lewan all you want about lack of leadership, but this entire team has lacked leadership since about 06ish.

And I for one would much rather see our QB be the vocal leader. Is it so hard to find a QB that is cocky as hell and believes in his ability. I mean geez. We have had quiet QB's for a long time. Look at the last few heisman trophy winners, or qb's on great teams. Guys with a ton of confidence.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Monday, June 09, 2014 11:04 AM
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Gardner gave me a ton of hope in regards to leadership in the OSU game. When Kalis had the false start he got his ass chewed by Gardner, followed by a pat on the butt. A good leader expects his teammates to perform to their ability and you could tell Gardner expected more from Kalis and he showed it. 

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:02 AM
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http://www.mlive.com/wolv...says_devin_gardne.html
 
I maybe reading this wrong, but does it seem that Lewan is not thrilled with Gardner's leadership skills?

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:38 AM
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http://www.mlive.com/wolv...says_devin_gardne.html

I maybe reading this wrong, but does it seem that Lewan is not thrilled with Gardner's leadership skills?

Always an interesting dynamic between a QB and LT. Denard and Taylor had a great relationship, there have been rumblings for some time about DG and Lewan, yet it sounds like Morris and Lewan had a good relationship. Haven't heard as much about it since he got to Michigan, but one of qualities people talked about the most regarding DG was his leadership and the fact that other guys seemed to gravitate around him (the same goes for Shane Morris).
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:37 AM
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My guess is DG saw Lewan for what he is, a complete tool.  Great lineman and he will be missed this year for sure.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:44 AM
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Something had to be horribly wrong with the OL to have it anchored by a 1st round pick and yet play so miserably.
 
So, this is a case where the whole is NOT greater than the sum of it's parts!  Must be Funk.
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:58 AM
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He played with 5 different guards last year....good lord!

I hope he's right about the physical part...and thinking the OL is just a mental deal and once they grasp that, things will begin to roll.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 1:15 PM
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Don't know about the OL but they sure mad ME mental last year.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:02 PM
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http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2014/JUNE14/DBJune10.html
 
 
It doesn't copy/paste well, but to sum up. 
 
 
Today’s blog starts my in-depth look at my NCAA Experience Chart. For 7 years I had listed an experience chart, which broke down the number of seniors, juniors, sophomores and freshmen each team had in the two deep and rated the teams experience level with a formula I devised. In 2009, I made the experience chart FIVE TIMES better.
 
 
Today I will look at the number of career starts returning for offensive lineman.
When most folks judge a team for the upcoming season they look at the QB, RB and WR’s that are returning. A few may take the time to look at star defensive players that are back (those with a lot of sacks or interceptions). However, very few look at the offensive line and yet the team that controls the line of scrimmage wins the game more often than not.
 
 
This year FBS newcomer Appalachian St is the top team in the country with 145 career starts returning but since all of those starts come at the FCS level, they do not rank in my Top 45 of OL units. UTSA is #2 with 143 starts returning but like Appalachian St do not appear among my top OL units.  Coming in at #3 is Indiana who has 130 career OL starts returning and they rank as my #13 overall OL as HC Kevin Wilson played OL at North Carolina and emphasizes the position. LY the Hoosiers opened holes for 202 ypg rush (5.3) and allowed just 3.8% sks. If you purchase my magazine you will find that Oregon (108 career starts returning) and Auburn (113 career starts returning) are my two top rated offensive lines.
 
 
At the bottom of the list is Tennessee who has just 6 starts returning. Two Big Ten teams in Penn St (provided Miles Dieffenbach doesn’t return) and Ohio State who loses four starters from one of the best OL’s in the country are also at the bottom.
 
 
Now experience on the O-line is not the only criteria for an offensive line’s potential for the next year. You have to add in the Blue Chips, how last year’s line performed (ypc rushing and sacks allowed), size, etc. That is how a team like Alabama can be just #107 in career starts returning (37 starts) but rate as my #8 overall OL this year.
Here are the rankings for all 128 teams with regards to Career OL Starts Returning.
 
 
 
 
Michigan is number 107 in the nation returning 37 career starts. 
 
osu is number 126 returning 21 starts
 
 
Tennessee is last only returning 6 starts......WOW
 
 



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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:06 PM
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Yep, the OL will be better off without Lewan just like people a year ago were telling me that we would be better off with Denard Robinson at QB.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:01 PM
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Lewan wasn't the only draft pick we lost off of last years atrocious line, Schofield was drafted also. Two NFL caliber linemen gone, their replacements complete unknowns & some of you honestly expect this years line to be BETTER? It seems kind of funny because I'm the one always demanding high expectations but about the only thing I expect this years O-line to do is scar DG for life.
 
Many of you on here are killing Lewan's leadership (which is fair) but a lack of leadership doesn't mean a lack of value. You can be a mediocre athlete but a great leader & decision maker & be valuable to a team. You can also be a supremely gifted athlete, a non-existent leader, a complete moron, & also be a valuable member of a team. We MAY gain leadership at the LT spot with Lewan gone but there's no way we're gaining talent or experience & those are equally valuable assets & I guarantee the loss of Lewan will be felt all season long.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:54 PM
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An offense starts and stops at the LOS. When those pieces fit together, you get a well-oiled machine. When they don't, you get, well, Michigan's sh*tty-ass 87th-ranked offense last season.

The better question might be, "Is Michigan going to improve at LT with Lewan gone?" The obvious answer to that is almost certainly no. Even an average OL requires 5 guys to play as one unit. A mistake by one man usually means defenders in the back field and a broken play or much worse. It takes all five guys on every play. Playing together as a cohesive unit is a bigger deal for the OL than changing playbooks. There are, after all, only so many ways to block an opponent. No
one player on the OL can make up for a complete lack of in game experience at 3 of 5 positions. The question that matters is if, with 5 players who have some starts and game experience in multiple games, the overall line play should improve from last season. While tackle play must be expected to take a step back, we can hope that overall line play will improve.

As a whole the SRs last year did not like the rest of the team and we're not all that involved in mentoring the younger players, Lewan included. Last years SRs had entitlement issues and felt as if they were owed something after all they went through. By all accounts, this 2014 team should be much more focused and consistent this year.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:41 AM
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Short of throwing blocking sleds out there the line can't possibly get any worse so Lewan's impact last year was minimal and obviously overrated when you look at the whole group.  Replacing Lewan is only part of the equation.  I'm much more interested in getting better play from the other 4 spots.  This line should be better for no other reason then it can't possibly get worse.  We won't be better BECAUSE Lewan is gone so i don't think anybody is saying that.  But I also don't worry about him being gone as one guy is not the issue here.  The fact that he's a complete tool bag and a hot head is just extra salt for the soup.

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:07 AM
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Here's the thing, we've gone from one great LT to another with few periods of bad play between (2008-2009 being the exception). When your LT spot goes Runyan, Jasen, Backus, Pape, Long, Lewan it becomes easy to see the spot as less important than it really is. The truth is we've been spoiled at LT may be in for a rude awakening down the line as there's no prototype LT on this roster and it's debatable whether we have any in the classes set to enroll in future years.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:23 AM
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Here's the thing, we've gone from one great LT to another with few periods of bad play between (2008-2009 being the exception). When your LT spot goes Runyan, Jasen, Backus, Pape, Long, Lewan it becomes easy to see the spot as less important than it really is. The truth is we've been spoiled at LT may be in for a rude awakening down the line as there's no prototype LT on this roster and it's debatable whether we have any in the classes set to enroll in future years.

 
Swenson is the next prototype. Mags has the feet, but I don't necessarily remember him being a sure-fire LT. Braden is a RT all the way. If Thiyo Lukusa (MI) commits in the 2016 class as well, we will have our LT and RT for that class basically set. 
 

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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:36 AM
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Assuming they're as advertized and actually you're looking at what 2017 or 2018 before a guy like Swenson is actually ready to contribute in a meaningful way. We're talking about the possibility of 4-5 years of average LT play. I don't know that people are ready for that after 20+ years of great tackle play (sans 2008-2009 when our line was an abomination).
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Here's the thing, we've gone from one great LT to another with few periods of bad play between (2008-2009 being the exception). When your LT spot goes Runyan, Jasen, Backus, Pape, Long, Lewan it becomes easy to see the spot as less important than it really is. The truth is we've been spoiled at LT may be in for a rude awakening down the line as there's no prototype LT on this roster and it's debatable whether we have any in the classes set to enroll in future years.


Swenson is the next prototype. Mags has the feet, but I don't necessarily remember him being a sure-fire LT. Braden is a RT all the way. If Thiyo Lukusa (MI) commits in the 2016 class as well, we will have our LT and RT for that class basically set. 



 
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Re:Michigan Football: Offensive Line Better Without Taylor Lewan? - Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:42 AM
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Here's the thing, we've gone from one great LT to another with few periods of bad play between (2008-2009 being the exception). When your LT spot goes Runyan, Jasen, Backus, Pape, Long, Lewan it becomes easy to see the spot as less important than it really is. The truth is we've been spoiled at LT may be in for a rude awakening down the line as there's no prototype LT on this roster and it's debatable whether we have any in the classes set to enroll in future years.


What about Cole? By all accounts, he played very well this spring at LT.

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