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northwestern players are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:37 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/0...tball-union/index.html
 
 
There goes college football, Cant say I blame them
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:49 PM
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Good for them

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:54 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/0...tball-union/index.html


There goes college football, Cant say I blame them

A bit over-dramatic don't you think.
 
Just wait, there's more to come. This case was an easy one. The cases currently in the pipeline have the potential to cause radical change. None of which will destroy college football IMO.
 
They said TV would destroy college sports and it's done the opposite.
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:26 PM
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Way to go, Northwestern. Idiots. 
 
Of all places... yeah, Northwestern. Student athletes there generate so much revenue! I mean, what kid doesn't beg for a (insert star QB of NW that never exists) jersey for Christmas?

You should be able to make money off your own name- that's it. You shouldn't be paid to go to college, though. 

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:30 PM
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Not good ...hope this doesn't alter college football in a MAJOR way but it probably might. College football is my favorite sport & don't know what I'll do if they, radicially, change it. Will NEVER be an NFL fan, for sure.
 
I don't totally discard the students' argument...but would've preferred a larger stipend than unionizing.
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:50 PM
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Lots of holes in this decision and I don't expect it to hold up.

They won this battle, but the war is far from over.

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Wednesday, March 26, 2014 5:59 PM
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Yeah, OK u wanna be a school employee? Sure. OK come up with $$ for 4 years of school. I bet free rides will be a thing of the past soon.........we can't offer u a scholarship anymore, but here's some cash. Lol

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:48 AM
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This could be one more bit of the undoing of the NCAA as the governing body of CFB.


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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:17 AM
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Screw Kain Colter. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg folks. 

 

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:44 AM
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The cost to attend Michigan for out of state residents is approaching $60,000 annually. While something should be done for players whose jerseys are being sold, as an example, this is going to be an ugly slope college sports could be going down. It seems everything GOOD eventually gets mucked up eventually.

If unions become a reality, do you pay the same scale for, say, middle guard as you do QB?

What do you pay the girl's volleyball team? Maybe the Michigans and Ohio States of the college sports world can afford it but MOST cannot. Ahhhh! Title 1X!!

This won't happen overnight but it may not take as long to go through the courts and implement as we may think.

Say hello to club football.
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:26 AM
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Yawn.  A) It's Northwestern B) They'll appeal, this will stall and by the time it comes around again, Colter will be 10 years into his gig selling life insurance.

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:04 AM
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This entitled eliteist generation really pi$$es me off. All they need to do is do their thing, showcase their skills and move on to the nfl. What's next, a model employee at Taco Bell that has unreal customer service skills suing because he flips a store and wants a piece of that pie? Not the greatest comparison I know, but I just saw this issue and it makes me mad.

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:17 AM
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The ruling is only for scholarship athletes in football (no other sports as of this moment) so what about the other 25-30% of your football team who's not on scholly?

My friends and I are going to Morton's for dinner, you guys have fun at Bob's Backyard Burritos...haha

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:19 AM
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The impacts of this ruling may be felt even more harshly in men's basketball. I had a conversation about this very subject, with a longtime friend, who happens to be a gentleman of color. When we agreed to the likelihood that this would get every hood rat with hoop skills and the ability to fake his way to a minimal SAT score to try signing up for the gravy train of collegiate cash, he promptly lapsed into the vernacular: "N***as be gettin' paid!"  The laughter that followed, while spontaneous, like the comment, had a disturbing nervous quality to it. One of the factors that gave rise to the NCAA was the existence of "tramp" athletes, in the late 19th Century. These guys found their way onto football teams, but not necessarily the registrar's office, or a classroom. Perhaps college sports have come full circle, and the reduction of all college athletics to the club level may be the only way to preserve the purity of amateurism.


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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:23 AM
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The impacts of this ruling may be felt even more harshly in men's basketball. I had a conversation about this very subject, with a longtime friend, who happens to be a gentleman of color. When we agreed to the likelihood that this would get every hood rat with hoop skills and the ability to fake his way to a minimal SAT score to try signing up for the gravy train of collegiate cash, he promptly lapsed into the vernacular: "N***as be gettin' paid!"  The laughter that followed, while spontaneous, like the comment, had a disturbing nervous quality to it. One of the factors that gave rise to the NCAA was the existence of "tramp" athletes, in the late 19th Century. These guys found their way onto football teams, but not necessarily the registrar's office, or a classroom. Perhaps college sports have come full circle, and the reduction of all college athletics to the club level may be the only way to preserve the purity of amateurism.

Thing is, there is no amateurism. It's an illuision. There is NOTHING amateur in nature about college football and basketball. It mirrors the professional game in every way and in some cases superceeds it in terms of scale and flash. Nick Saban makes more than most of the coaches in the NFL. College stadiums almost exclusively outrank their professional counterparts in size and in many cases luxury. Guys like Phil Knight and T Boone Pickens have built monuments to athletics that are unparallelled at the professional level. The support staff and S&C programs are in many ways ahead of the professional staffs in the NBA and NFL. Mike Barwis for instance went from training college athletes to now services almost a hundred prop athletes at his gym. The TV and apparel contracts that dominate college athletics rival many professional leagues. Dr Pepper, who was just announced as the official sponsor of the new college football playoff, is expected to shell out $30 million dollars just to have their name attached.
 
It may make people quezy, but we're talking about business here. BIG Business in the billions (with a B) of dollars. Put aside the paying players side of the issues and there is a laundry list of things that players legitimate have the right to argue for. From player safety to freedom of movement and multi-year scholarships. Look I realize that unions scare the living s**t out of many people but maybe had players been allowed a seat at the table to begin with we wouldn't be seeing these lawsuits pop up all over the country.
 
Eventually the field-hands wise up.
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:02 PM
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It seems everything GOOD eventually gets mucked up eventually.



Perception is everything and I'd argue the players involved in this suit disagree with you that things are "good".

Don't some of you guys ever get tired of rooting for the people who control everything, and wonder why things operate the way they do and why they are sold the way they are?
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:27 PM
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UMWingedHelmet

It seems everything GOOD eventually gets mucked up eventually.



Perception is everything and I'd argue the players involved in this suit disagree with you that things are "good".

Don't some of you guys ever get tired of rooting for the people who control everything, and wonder why things operate the way they do and why they are sold the way they are?

 
Yeah, Bo was a bad guy.  Don Canham was a bad guy, Woody was a bad guy.  Wrong! 
 
I also realize the price of ticketing, food and drinks, souvenirs, etc. are disgusting but what do you think will happen if college athletes become unionized?  Further, it may only be for football right now but don't be so naive to think it won't spread to every collegiate sport.
 
Shrug this off all you want guys but I've been on the other side of the table across from unions and it can get pretty ugly once they get their foot in the door.  And, I certainly realize they had their necessary place in American life at one time and possibly some still do today to a lesser degree.
 
Look at MLB.  Frankly, it USED to be a game.
 
There has to be a happy medium and, imho, going "union" isn't the answer. 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:50 PM
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Bo openly broke NCAA rules he didn't agree with (like limits on meals and tapping players).
 
The issue is believing that schools, conferences, and the NCAA is a benevolent force simply out for the good of all parties involved. They are a self-serving, billion dollar business looking to protect their own interest like every other billion dollar business. They've simply been able to hide behind the veil of amateurism and non-profit status.
 
If history has taught us anything it is that no one gives up power or money willingly. Usually it has to be taken.
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UMWingedHelmet

It seems everything GOOD eventually gets mucked up eventually.



Perception is everything and I'd argue the players involved in this suit disagree with you that things are "good".

Don't some of you guys ever get tired of rooting for the people who control everything, and wonder why things operate the way they do and why they are sold the way they are?


Yeah, Bo was a bad guy.  Don Canham was a bad guy, Woody was a bad guy.  Wrong! 

I also realize the price of ticketing, food and drinks, souvenirs, etc. are disgusting but what do you think will happen if college athletes become unionized?  Further, it may only be for football right now but don't be so naive to think it won't spread to every collegiate sport.

Shrug this off all you want guys but I've been on the other side of the table across from unions and it can get pretty ugly once they get their foot in the door.  And, I certainly realize they had their necessary place in American life at one time and possibly some still do today to a lesser degree.

Look at MLB.  Frankly, it USED to be a game.

There has to be a happy medium and, imho, going "union" isn't the answer. 


 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:33 PM
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Bo openly broke NCAA rules he didn't agree with (like limits on meals and tapping players).



 
Can you prove that?
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:38 PM
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Ummm, it's in his book with his name attached to it so..........
 
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Bo openly broke NCAA rules he didn't agree with (like limits on meals and tapping players).




Can you prove that?


 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:45 PM
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Which book?
 
 
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Ummm, it's in his book with his name attached to it so..........

UMWingedHelmet


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Bo openly broke NCAA rules he didn't agree with (like limits on meals and tapping players).




Can you prove that?



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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:54 PM
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Which book?


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Ummm, it's in his book with his name attached to it so..........

UMWingedHelmet


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Bo openly broke NCAA rules he didn't agree with (like limits on meals and tapping players).




Can you prove that?




 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:27 PM
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I believe that was the one written with John U. Bacon?  I had it but can't find it.  Maybe I gave it to a Buckeye!
 
I don't doubt he said that but he was a man of the highest integrity.
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 1:17 AM
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When Bo started coaching here, Canham payed him a salary of 60k a year. Think about that. Hoke makes 4 million a year....that is a VERY HUGE pay difference, waaaaaaay more than inflation accounts for. It would take Bo 67 seasons at 60k a year to make what Hoke does in 1 season. If you go by inflation, coaches at top tier programs should only be making around 400k. Instead they make 10 times that (some close to 20 times that)...and people get pissed that the players are asking for a piece of that pie? God I hate the world I live in today.

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 4:34 AM
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UMWingedHelmet

It seems everything GOOD eventually gets mucked up eventually.



Perception is everything and I'd argue the players involved in this suit disagree with you that things are "good".

Don't some of you guys ever get tired of rooting for the people who control everything, and wonder why things operate the way they do and why they are sold the way they are?


Yeah, Bo was a bad guy.  Don Canham was a bad guy, Woody was a bad guy.  Wrong! 

I also realize the price of ticketing, food and drinks, souvenirs, etc. are disgusting but what do you think will happen if college athletes become unionized?  Further, it may only be for football right now but don't be so naive to think it won't spread to every collegiate sport.

Shrug this off all you want guys but I've been on the other side of the table across from unions and it can get pretty ugly once they get their foot in the door.  And, I certainly realize they had their necessary place in American life at one time and possibly some still do today to a lesser degree.

Look at MLB.  Frankly, it USED to be a game.

There has to be a happy medium and, imho, going "union" isn't the answer. 

Unions have done wonders for public education system and auto industry. Perfect idea for college sports. 

 

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 4:44 AM
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When Bo started coaching here, Canham payed him a salary of 60k a year. Think about that. Hoke makes 4 million a year....that is a VERY HUGE pay difference, waaaaaaay more than inflation accounts for. It would take Bo 67 seasons at 60k a year to make what Hoke does in 1 season. If you go by inflation, coaches at top tier programs should only be making around 400k. Instead they make 10 times that (some close to 20 times that)...and people get pissed that the players are asking for a piece of that pie? God I hate the world I live in today.

Keep crying about it. I hate the "entitled" mentality people like you have created. Most of us would give anything to play football/basketball for Michigan on a full ride. They also get stipends. Don't act like they don't get paid either. I've partied with Dantonio players and they bragged about it. 
 
I'm tired of people complaining about something so stupid. 90% of the football team would have no chance at getting into Michigan academically. You don't want to play a sport, don't play a sport... pay your way like the rest of us did. 

 

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 5:52 AM
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When Bo started coaching here, Canham payed him a salary of 60k a year. Think about that. Hoke makes 4 million a year....that is a VERY HUGE pay difference, waaaaaaay more than inflation accounts for. It would take Bo 67 seasons at 60k a year to make what Hoke does in 1 season. If you go by inflation, coaches at top tier programs should only be making around 400k. Instead they make 10 times that (some close to 20 times that)...and people get pissed that the players are asking for a piece of that pie? God I hate the world I live in today.

Keep crying about it. I hate the "entitled" mentality people like you have created. Most of us would give anything to play football/basketball for Michigan on a full ride. They also get stipends. Don't act like they don't get paid either. I've partied with Dantonio players and they bragged about it. 

I'm tired of people complaining about something so stupid. 90% of the football team would have no chance at getting into Michigan academically. You don't want to play a sport, don't play a sport... pay your way like the rest of us did. 

Then stop profiting off of what is supposed to be an amateur sport. Pay the players or stop with paying the outrageous salaries to athletic directors, conference officials, coaches, NCAA employees, etc...either way I could care less. If they want to run college football like professional football, then they need to pay the players...otherwise get rid of all those that feel they ENTITLED (yeah, I can play the Frank Luntz game too) to exorbitant salaries. 

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 6:06 AM
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UMWingedHelmet

It seems everything GOOD eventually gets mucked up eventually.



Perception is everything and I'd argue the players involved in this suit disagree with you that things are "good".

Don't some of you guys ever get tired of rooting for the people who control everything, and wonder why things operate the way they do and why they are sold the way they are?


Yeah, Bo was a bad guy.  Don Canham was a bad guy, Woody was a bad guy.  Wrong! 

I also realize the price of ticketing, food and drinks, souvenirs, etc. are disgusting but what do you think will happen if college athletes become unionized?  Further, it may only be for football right now but don't be so naive to think it won't spread to every collegiate sport.

Shrug this off all you want guys but I've been on the other side of the table across from unions and it can get pretty ugly once they get their foot in the door.  And, I certainly realize they had their necessary place in American life at one time and possibly some still do today to a lesser degree.

Look at MLB.  Frankly, it USED to be a game.

There has to be a happy medium and, imho, going "union" isn't the answer. 

Unions have done wonders for public education system and auto industry. Perfect idea for college sports. 

Ha. I didn't think you were truly this clueless. Funny how under Unions the Auto industry thrived for 40 years. What happened to the industry when it began to decline? 2 things. The Japanese offering fully loaded vehicles with a firm price tag (we Americans believe in profit above all else, so we sell our cars to dealerships who then sell them at crazy prices with ala carte options.). The next thing that happened was Reaganomics. Greed is what killed the auto industry....and not union greed. But go ahead and keep buying up all them Rush Limbaugh books....after all someone has to pay for his drug addiction.

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 7:50 AM
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Yes, how dare these "entitled" kids want health coverage after sacrificing their bodies for ol State U. How dare they want mandatory concussion testing and research. How dare they not want their scholarship yanked out from under them after 2yrs because the ol ball coach wants to bring in the next crop of recruits. How dare they want to be able to transfer to the school of their choice as opposed to being banned from half the teams in the country. How dare they not want their name and likeness used to turn a profit without compensation or permission per their legal right.

What are they thinking.....
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 7:56 AM
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Maize927


When Bo started coaching here, Canham payed him a salary of 60k a year. Think about that. Hoke makes 4 million a year....that is a VERY HUGE pay difference, waaaaaaay more than inflation accounts for. It would take Bo 67 seasons at 60k a year to make what Hoke does in 1 season. If you go by inflation, coaches at top tier programs should only be making around 400k. Instead they make 10 times that (some close to 20 times that)...and people get pissed that the players are asking for a piece of that pie? God I hate the world I live in today.

Keep crying about it. I hate the "entitled" mentality people like you have created. Most of us would give anything to play football/basketball for Michigan on a full ride. They also get stipends. Don't act like they don't get paid either. I've partied with Dantonio players and they bragged about it. 

I'm tired of people complaining about something so stupid. 90% of the football team would have no chance at getting into Michigan academically. You don't want to play a sport, don't play a sport... pay your way like the rest of us did. 

Then stop profiting off of what is supposed to be an amateur sport. Pay the players or stop with paying the outrageous salaries to athletic directors, conference officials, coaches, NCAA employees, etc...either way I could care less. If they want to run college football like professional football, then they need to pay the players...otherwise get rid of all those that feel they ENTITLED (yeah, I can play the Frank Luntz game too) to exorbitant salaries. 


Speaking of profiting off of what is supposed to be amateur sport, I just heard yesterday on the radio that Gene Smith has a clause in his contract that he gets a certain percentage bonus of his salary for every national championship OSU wins including individual national titles in sports like wrestling. They did the math and it came out to 18K/national title. There was one OSU wrestler who won a national title and Gene Smith pocketed 18 grand for doing absolutely nothing except being OSU's AD?! As if Gene Smith isn't already making enough, he needs to profit off of the accomplishments of athletes he has nothing to do with??? But yeah, it's the athletes who are greedy for wanting a piece of the pie...

 

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:20 AM
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Maize927


When Bo started coaching here, Canham payed him a salary of 60k a year. Think about that. Hoke makes 4 million a year....that is a VERY HUGE pay difference, waaaaaaay more than inflation accounts for. It would take Bo 67 seasons at 60k a year to make what Hoke does in 1 season. If you go by inflation, coaches at top tier programs should only be making around 400k. Instead they make 10 times that (some close to 20 times that)...and people get pissed that the players are asking for a piece of that pie? God I hate the world I live in today.

Keep crying about it. I hate the "entitled" mentality people like you have created. Most of us would give anything to play football/basketball for Michigan on a full ride. They also get stipends. Don't act like they don't get paid either. I've partied with Dantonio players and they bragged about it. 

I'm tired of people complaining about something so stupid. 90% of the football team would have no chance at getting into Michigan academically. You don't want to play a sport, don't play a sport... pay your way like the rest of us did. 

Then stop profiting off of what is supposed to be an amateur sport. Pay the players or stop with paying the outrageous salaries to athletic directors, conference officials, coaches, NCAA employees, etc...either way I could care less. If they want to run college football like professional football, then they need to pay the players...otherwise get rid of all those that feel they ENTITLED (yeah, I can play the Frank Luntz game too) to exorbitant salaries. 


Speaking of profiting off of what is supposed to be amateur sport, I just heard yesterday on the radio that Gene Smith has a clause in his contract that he gets a certain percentage bonus of his salary for every national championship OSU wins including individual national titles in sports like wrestling. They did the math and it came out to 18K/national title. There was one OSU wrestler who won a national title and Gene Smith pocketed 18 grand for doing absolutely nothing except being OSU's AD?! As if Gene Smith isn't already making enough, he needs to profit off of the accomplishments of athletes he has nothing to do with??? But yeah, it's the athletes who are greedy for wanting a piece of the pie...

That's the thing, where do people think this money is going? Reinvested in education? Please
 
The head of the NCAA pulls a cool $4 million dollar salary, most of the administrators under him make 6 figures. The same goes at the conference level. The head of the Pac 12 makes $3.1 million per year, his top assistant pulls in $500k. Jim Delany takes home a nice $1.8 million dollars to run the Big 10. At the school level, Dave Brandon is the highest paid employee at the University of Michigan, bringing in a meager $850k. Athletic department personnel has grown from 275 in 2009-10 to 336 this year, which mirrors what's going on around the country. And let's not get into coaches pay.
 
The idea that the athlete is greedy and entitled is a joke. People are looking at the wrong sector when it comes to greed and entitlement. Not to mentioned the disproportionate distribution of power that exist between athlete and school/coach.
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:21 AM
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Ha. I didn't think you were truly this clueless. Funny how under Unions the Auto industry thrived for 40 years. What happened to the industry when it began to decline? 2 things. The Japanese offering fully loaded vehicles with a firm price tag (we Americans believe in profit above all else, so we sell our cars to dealerships who then sell them at crazy prices with ala carte options.). The next thing that happened was Reaganomics. Greed is what killed the auto industry....and not union greed. But go ahead and keep buying up all them Rush Limbaugh books....after all someone has to pay for his drug addiction.

 
The free enterprise system is what made America the greatest country ever created.  Your cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh was totally uncalled for.  Have you lived a perfect life and can throw stones?  


Japanese cars?  People bought them because they worked and didn't rust out in 3 years.  I personally would not nor ever buy one  but for decades Detroit was putting out junk.  It's somewhat like college football.  We are the ones who love it so much.  If you think coaches, ADs, etc. are making too much money, don't attend the games, watch them on TV or buy apparel and souvenirs and watch their salaries come tumbling down.  Price (salary) = where supply and demand intersect.
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:24 AM
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Yes, how dare these "entitled" kids want health coverage after sacrificing their bodies for ol State U. How dare they want mandatory concussion testing and research. How dare they not want their scholarship yanked out from under them after 2yrs because the ol ball coach wants to bring in the next crop of recruits. How dare they want to be able to transfer to the school of their choice as opposed to being banned from half the teams in the country. How dare they not want their name and likeness used to turn a profit without compensation or permission per their legal right.

What are they thinking.....

 
I highly doubt anybody would complain about these kids having better medical coverage or concussion testing and if they want full-year scholarships, great!  Then they should have to stay for 4 years.
 
Back to the case at hand.  Right now the private schools have an edge in this because they're allowed to play by different rules than public schools. (enter: Northwestern)  I can already see the recruiting pitch to Mr. 5 Star Running back- Come to Michigan son because Those Who Stay Will Be Champions.  No, come to Notre Dame son.  We can pay you a 2 grand a month stipend.  BAM!  Signed.  

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:25 AM
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Don't hate the player, hate the game.

No one hates the player but you seem to hate the game so quit paying for it.  Of course, soon you may be following club sports.  I bet you would think that's cool, huh?
 
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:29 AM
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I highly doubt anybody would complain about these kids having better medical coverage or concussion testing and if they want full-year scholarships, great!  Then they should have to stay for 4 years.



 
I think athletes have the very highest quality of medical coverage.  Further, I do believe UM keeps the athlete on full scholarship for the full 4 years whether they play a down or not.
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:32 AM
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Ha. I didn't think you were truly this clueless. Funny how under Unions the Auto industry thrived for 40 years. What happened to the industry when it began to decline? 2 things. The Japanese offering fully loaded vehicles with a firm price tag (we Americans believe in profit above all else, so we sell our cars to dealerships who then sell them at crazy prices with ala carte options.). The next thing that happened was Reaganomics. Greed is what killed the auto industry....and not union greed. But go ahead and keep buying up all them Rush Limbaugh books....after all someone has to pay for his drug addiction.


The free enterprise system is what made America the greatest country ever created.  Your cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh was totally uncalled for.  Have you lived a perfect life and can throw stones?  


Japanese cars?  People bought them because they worked and didn't rust out in 3 years.  I personally would not nor ever buy one  but for decades Detroit was putting out junk.  It's somewhat like college football.  We are the ones who love it so much.  If you think coaches, ADs, etc. are making too much money, don't attend the games, watch them on TV or buy apparel and souvenirs and watch their salaries come tumbling down.  Price (salary) = where supply and demand intersect.


Yes because people at the top often willingly give up their own salaries.
 
The money associated with college football and basketball isn't going away anytime soon. We've reached the point of no return when it comes to pimping out "amateur athletics". Why people are so deadset on keeping the people who are the most responsible from being included in the riches I will never understand. By "riches" most are talking $2,000-$5,000 which is less than the bonuses that administrators receive for what the athletes actually do.
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:56 AM
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Ha. I didn't think you were truly this clueless. Funny how under Unions the Auto industry thrived for 40 years. What happened to the industry when it began to decline? 2 things. The Japanese offering fully loaded vehicles with a firm price tag (we Americans believe in profit above all else, so we sell our cars to dealerships who then sell them at crazy prices with ala carte options.). The next thing that happened was Reaganomics. Greed is what killed the auto industry....and not union greed. But go ahead and keep buying up all them Rush Limbaugh books....after all someone has to pay for his drug addiction.


The free enterprise system is what made America the greatest country ever created.  Your cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh was totally uncalled for.  Have you lived a perfect life and can throw stones?  


Japanese cars?  People bought them because they worked and didn't rust out in 3 years.  I personally would not nor ever buy one  but for decades Detroit was putting out junk.  It's somewhat like college football.  We are the ones who love it so much.  If you think coaches, ADs, etc. are making too much money, don't attend the games, watch them on TV or buy apparel and souvenirs and watch their salaries come tumbling down.  Price (salary) = where supply and demand intersect.


Yes because people at the top often willingly give up their own salaries.

The money associated with college football and basketball isn't going away anytime soon. We've reached the point of no return when it comes to pimping out "amateur athletics". Why people are so deadset on keeping the people who are the most responsible from being included in the riches I will never understand. By "riches" most are talking $2,000-$5,000 which is less than the bonuses that administrators receive for what the athletes actually do.

It's probably for this reason that people are against it.  The big business, the money, the salaries that idiots are making, over-paid coaches and AD's, et al.  People probably feel like the athletes are the only pure thing left in college football.  Of course, if the kid is any good he only has to wait 2 years to bag a 10 million dollar signing bonus.  Gee, the hardship of it all.  If he's not NFL material it would mean the school didn't capitalize on his name, # or "likeness".  Instead he got a full ride for free and a great job afterwards.  I'm sorry, with all the REAL injustice in the world this just doesn't make the list.  Not even close.  

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 9:58 AM
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Ha. I didn't think you were truly this clueless. Funny how under Unions the Auto industry thrived for 40 years. What happened to the industry when it began to decline? 2 things. The Japanese offering fully loaded vehicles with a firm price tag (we Americans believe in profit above all else, so we sell our cars to dealerships who then sell them at crazy prices with ala carte options.). The next thing that happened was Reaganomics. Greed is what killed the auto industry....and not union greed. But go ahead and keep buying up all them Rush Limbaugh books....after all someone has to pay for his drug addiction.


The free enterprise system is what made America the greatest country ever created.  Your cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh was totally uncalled for.  Have you lived a perfect life and can throw stones?  


Japanese cars?  People bought them because they worked and didn't rust out in 3 years.  I personally would not nor ever buy one  but for decades Detroit was putting out junk.  It's somewhat like college football.  We are the ones who love it so much.  If you think coaches, ADs, etc. are making too much money, don't attend the games, watch them on TV or buy apparel and souvenirs and watch their salaries come tumbling down.  Price (salary) = where supply and demand intersect.


That is one of the most polite things I will say about the arsehole that said this....“I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.” or this (from 1992) where he called a 12 year old Chelsea Clinton "The White House Dog".
 
As far as the auto industry...again, the issue isn't labor. It isn't unions. It is dumb decisions that CEOs make. Again, in the 70s the Japanese offered cars at cheaper prices, with more features, and with better fuel efficiency (the latter issue would play out again in the late 90s and early 2000s).  The 80s saw Reaganomics destroy the industry....or at least those that depend on their factory job for their livelihood. Later in the 90s and 2000s we saw an SUV boom. Everyone had to have an SUV. CEOs made a poor decision to turn most of their factories into shops producing SUVs. What happened you ask? Gas prices began to rise. SUVs aren't very fuel efficient. It kills GM. So we see an oil crisis and the Japanese out smarting us in the 70s, poor economic policies of the 80s (which sadly are still in place today), and CEOs outsmarting themselves in the 90 and 00s.....so I can see exactly why people blame unions for the downfall of the auto industry.
 
As far as the greatest country ever created? By what measure? Obesity rate? Imprisonment? 
 
And is that the right wing response to everything? If you don't like a policy in America leave. If you don't like what is going on in college football....don't watch. Like those are the only 2 options. If the Founding Fathers went by that attitude we would still be under British rule with the Founders moving to Canada. No, there is a 3rd option. If you don't like something, change it.

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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 10:15 AM
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Ha. I didn't think you were truly this clueless. Funny how under Unions the Auto industry thrived for 40 years. What happened to the industry when it began to decline? 2 things. The Japanese offering fully loaded vehicles with a firm price tag (we Americans believe in profit above all else, so we sell our cars to dealerships who then sell them at crazy prices with ala carte options.). The next thing that happened was Reaganomics. Greed is what killed the auto industry....and not union greed. But go ahead and keep buying up all them Rush Limbaugh books....after all someone has to pay for his drug addiction.


The free enterprise system is what made America the greatest country ever created.  Your cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh was totally uncalled for.  Have you lived a perfect life and can throw stones?  


Japanese cars?  People bought them because they worked and didn't rust out in 3 years.  I personally would not nor ever buy one  but for decades Detroit was putting out junk.  It's somewhat like college football.  We are the ones who love it so much.  If you think coaches, ADs, etc. are making too much money, don't attend the games, watch them on TV or buy apparel and souvenirs and watch their salaries come tumbling down.  Price (salary) = where supply and demand intersect.


Yes because people at the top often willingly give up their own salaries.

The money associated with college football and basketball isn't going away anytime soon. We've reached the point of no return when it comes to pimping out "amateur athletics". Why people are so deadset on keeping the people who are the most responsible from being included in the riches I will never understand. By "riches" most are talking $2,000-$5,000 which is less than the bonuses that administrators receive for what the athletes actually do.

It's probably for this reason that people are against it.  The big business, the money, the salaries that idiots are making, over-paid coaches and AD's, et al.  People probably feel like the athletes are the only pure thing left in college football.  Of course, if the kid is any good he only has to wait 2 years to bag a 10 million dollar signing bonus.  Gee, the hardship of it all.  If he's not NFL material it would mean the school didn't capitalize on his name, # or "likeness".  Instead he got a full ride for free and a great job afterwards.  I'm sorry, with all the REAL injustice in the world this just doesn't make the list.  Not even close.  

You have to realize how absurd that is/sounds though LOL!
 
I don't honestly see how future income, if any, affects the current situation. What does it matter if kids go on to make money in the NFL. The money is being generated NOW, while in college. Making or not making the NFL has zero to do with whether the NCAA, conferences, and/or schools capitalize on a player's ability to generate revenue. It's happening now regardless of what happens down the road. The players are already in big business, they just aren't compensated accordingly. LIke it or not, a college education has a monetary value attached to it. It's something that can be quantified. That number is not in the billions, that I can promise you.
 
I realize that this issue isn't on the same stage as world hunger or or Putin invading crimea. As sports issues go, it's pretty d*mn far up the list though IMO.
 
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Re:northwestern players able are ruled to be school employees - Friday, March 28, 2014 10:49 AM
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Northwestern football players won the right to unionize on Wednesday, but the potential tax implications alone could immediately kill the idea.

Much of what was argued in the National Labor Relations Board testimony is in direct opposition to why scholarships aren't being taxed today.

"It appears like the case brought forward by the players focused on things other than the potential tax implications," said Garrett Higgins, a partner at O'Connor Davies in the firm's Exempt Organization Tax and Advisory Services group. "The fact that the players were not considered employees in the past is essentially the reason why their scholarship or parts of it weren't taxed before. The IRS may be able to make the argument that the scholarship is really payment for services, and therefore compensation, and is now taxable to the athlete."

Taxable income has been defined in the courts, and by the IRS, as compensation received through services that resulted in a time commitment that required a certain number of hours per week. Higgins said the time commitment put forth by former Northwestern quarterback Kain Colter, and backed by the National College Players Association, that resulted in the NLRB qualifying the Northwestern players as employees could serve to be the exact reason that the IRS would say the players must pay taxes if they unionize.

If Northwestern players did form a union and they were taxed, it's not clear exactly what they would be paying tax on. If, for example, their entire scholarship was deemed taxable, the athletes would be paying at least $15,000 in federal tax alone on the $61,000-a-year scholarship. One athletic director in a major conference, who requested anonymity, speculated that the value the players received from the training table, travel and even coaching could be taxed.

Section 117 of the Internal Revenue Service code provides that "gross income does not include any amount received as a qualified scholarship by an individual who is a candidate for a degree at an educational organization" as long as that money goes towards educational expenses. An IRS rule that was established in 1986 stated athletic scholarships are no different than financial aid or academic scholarships with respect to the tax code.

But if the players are defined as employees, the limitation of the code could come into play. The code notes that the exclusion "shall not apply to that portion of any amounts received which represents payment for ... services by the student required as a condition for receiving the qualified scholarship."


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