Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green?

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Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:20 PM
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I'm afraid it could be true.  They finally found a coach who hates Michigan as much as Ohio State does plus he is (ugh) a good coach.
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:46 PM
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The #1 rated high school player in Michigan has signed with M$U in 4 of the last 5 years. Their on field performance and annual beating of Michigan has propelled them into a short term threat. Kids today live in the now, not 10+ years ago and M$U is reaping the benefits. With that said, a 10+ win season in 2014 and competing for (if not winning the B10) will silence that noise.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:38 PM
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I just saw a blip on ESPN going over MSU top 10 recruits, and I swear 4-5 had to have been from Michigan. How many kids from Michigan did we get this year?

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:38 PM
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Agree with Scottsdale, but how likely is that to happen? A look at the roster, and a glance at the road schedule, suggests that 8 Ws is a max expectation. Reality could be worse. Starting all over in 2015.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 3:46 PM
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What do you mean about starting all over in 2015?  New staff or what?
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:12 PM
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What the hell is a WORM?
 
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:13 PM
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Edub4Blue


What the hell is a WORM?

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Glad you asked. I didn't want to, but I have no idea either.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:23 PM
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Edub4Blue


What the hell is a WORM?

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It's that thing at the bottom of some tequila bottles

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 4:26 PM
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 5:06 PM
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Sorry, it's an old-time expression that the vast majority of you probably haven't heard.    It means where one entity is becoming say the dominant force while the one who has been is no longer.
 
I guess my old age is showing.
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:15 PM
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^^^ GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:44 AM
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:44 AM
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That is classic, LMAO!
 
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Thursday, February 06, 2014 9:54 AM
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That is classic, LMAO!

yeah, I get a laugh every time I see it, too.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Thursday, February 06, 2014 11:18 AM
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Is that a real pic? First I've seen it. Lol I wonder what was going on if it is real. Looks like a funny story somebody has.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:25 PM
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I'm assuming based on recent results that this is a rhetorical question...But I'll answer anyway. No the worm isn't turning, its already done a complete 180 & is throwing a hell of a party in Spartan Stadium. As @Scottsdaleblue said M$U has gotten the #1 recruit 4 out of the last 5 years. More important is what's happening on the football field, M$U spanks us. Recruiting rankings don't mean squat, it's your record on the field that counts. Over the last 6 years (since this years recruiting class entered JR. high) the score is M$U 57 & 23 UM 41 & 35 with head to head going 5-1 in favor of the Spartans. If I were a high school blue chip recruit & wanted to win, I'd go to M$U over UM to. Sad but true.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:54 PM
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AMEN, Jabes, AMEN !!!! We both are aware that to admit an unpleasant truth is extremely difficult.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 2:12 AM
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All we've gotta do is beat them a couple years.
 
No one is choosing Michigan State Community College over Michigan if both programs are winning.
 
I think their D is admired by kids because it has an edge. We don't have that...

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 8:48 AM
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They're admired by kids because they have coaches that know how to develop talent.  However, the in-state recruiting battle doesn't overly concern me.  There have been some good in-state players over the years (obviously) but Michigan isn't exactly fertile territory.  

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 9:50 AM
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I'm trying to think of the last 5* state of Michigan recruit that played lights.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 10:15 AM
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I'm trying to think of the last 5* state of Michigan recruit that played lights.


5-star players since 2002:

Gabe Watson
Prescott Burgess
LaMarr Woodley
Chad Henne
Kevin Grady
Brandon Graham
Steve Schilling
Donovan Warren
William Campbell
Justin Turner
Kyle Kalis
Ondre Pipkins
Derrick Green
Dymonte Thomas

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 10:15 AM
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I honestly thought the post was about Dennis Rodman.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 10:24 AM
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Is that a real pic? First I've seen it. Lol I wonder what was going on if it is real. Looks like a funny story somebody has.

Of course it's real - it's on the internet, right?!?!?!
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 10:46 AM
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jsj_297


I'm trying to think of the last 5* state of Michigan recruit that played lights.


5-star players since 2002:

Gabe Watson
Prescott Burgess
LaMarr Woodley
Chad Henne
Kevin Grady
Brandon Graham
Steve Schilling
Donovan Warren
William Campbell
Justin Turner
Kyle Kalis
Ondre Pipkins
Derrick Green
Dymonte Thomas

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Based on Rivals I`m assuming, I know Scout.com is bit more liberal with handing out 5 stars. Guys like Shane Morris and Devin Gardner were 5 stars on Scout.
 
Even so, our bust rate on 5 stars is still pretty damn high. And those are suppose to be our bread winners.
 
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 10:56 AM
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jsj_297


I'm trying to think of the last 5* state of Michigan recruit that played lights.


5-star players since 2002:

Gabe Watson
Prescott Burgess
LaMarr Woodley
Chad Henne
Kevin Grady
Brandon Graham
Steve Schilling
Donovan Warren
William Campbell
Justin Turner
Kyle Kalis
Ondre Pipkins
Derrick Green
Dymonte Thomas

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Quite a few didn't live up to their billing:
 
Prescott Burgess
Kevin Grady
Donovan Warren
William Campbell
Justin Turner
and, hopefully, not more.
 
 
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 11:19 AM
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Again this only proves the point that stars and rankings have little value except to the CFB nuts. Its about development and its also about scheme. Right now UM is lacking in both Depts. If MSU can win with guys not as highly touted no reason for UM to not win with 5 star guys. Some of those guys contributed on teams where UM was good 2006- for example. Also keep in mind since 2006 UM has had three coaches where MSU has had one and that weighs heavily in sucess. There are a lot of factors as to why but now its put up or shut up time period.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 11:47 AM
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Since 2002, Rivals has given 42 RBs a 5 star rating….only 12 of those have ever made an active NFL roster and only 7 are on an active roster today. I would have guessed the # was a bit higher...closer to 25-30. But like we've all come to find out, the star ranking system can be flawed. There are 5 stars who don't sniff the field and there are 2 stars who become super bowl winning QB's...4 star kids who become benchwarmers and walk-ons who become all conference and make it to the NFL.

With that said, Bama won the recruiting for the 6th time in the last 7yrs and 3 NCs in that same time. There's a correlation.

The higher ranked player you get, the more entitlement too, but you’ve also got a better player. Your pipeline is always full when you only take 4/5 star kids, the odds of having more of them work out significantly increases. I'll take my chances with 4/5 star players over 2/3 star players every day and twice on Sunday.

Next to being employed by ESPN for bracketology...it's almost just as cushy to be tabbed as a recruiting director in charge of watching HS football and handing out stars.

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 12:20 PM
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Since 2002, Rivals has given 42 RBs a 5 star rating….only 12 of those have ever made an active NFL roster and only 7 are on an active roster today. I would have guessed the # was a bit higher...closer to 25-30. But like we've all come to find out, the star ranking system can be flawed. There are 5 stars who don't sniff the field and there are 2 stars who become super bowl winning QB's...4 star kids who become benchwarmers and walk-ons who become all conference and make it to the NFL.

With that said, Bama won the recruiting for the 6th time in the last 7yrs and 3 NCs in that same time. There's a correlation.

The higher ranked player you get, the more entitlement too, but you’ve also got a better player. Your pipeline is always full when you only take 4/5 star kids, the odds of having more of them work out significantly increases. I'll take my chances with 4/5 star players over 2/3 star players every day and twice on Sunday.

Next to being employed by ESPN for bracketology...it's almost just as cushy to be tabbed as a recruiting director in charge of watching HS football and handing out stars.

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Is that the best measure though. I would imagine the star rankings are designed to measure college success as opposed to NFL success. There are college All-Americans than never get a sniff in the NFL. Hell there are Heisman trophy winners that don't.
 
You`d have to look at things like All-Conference lists or something like that, and who has time for that LOL!
 
I will say I`ll take as many 4's and 5's star guys as I can get. Doesn't guarantee success but it does makes it more likely.
 
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 12:31 PM
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Since 2002, Rivals has given 42 RBs a 5 star rating….only 12 of those have ever made an active NFL roster and only 7 are on an active roster today. I would have guessed the # was a bit higher...closer to 25-30. But like we've all come to find out, the star ranking system can be flawed. There are 5 stars who don't sniff the field and there are 2 stars who become super bowl winning QB's...4 star kids who become benchwarmers and walk-ons who become all conference and make it to the NFL.

With that said, Bama won the recruiting for the 6th time in the last 7yrs and 3 NCs in that same time. There's a correlation.

The higher ranked player you get, the more entitlement too, but you’ve also got a better player. Your pipeline is always full when you only take 4/5 star kids, the odds of having more of them work out significantly increases. I'll take my chances with 4/5 star players over 2/3 star players every day and twice on Sunday.

Next to being employed by ESPN for bracketology...it's almost just as cushy to be tabbed as a recruiting director in charge of watching HS football and handing out stars.

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this is where I differ with you scottsdale because To me you have to make do with what you have. If you are offering a kid a scholly then in some capactiy a coach feels they can help their team. Now are you going to hit on all of them no do they get hurt yes or in trouble yes or just dont pan out yes. So the key to me is more development of the kids that you fit in your system hence MSU's success. We have had our share of 5 star kids but I would take a 3 star kid that fits into what Um is trying to do and can contribute than a 5 star kids who you throw into the fire because someone elses evalution of them told you they were good.
 
Its the development and scheme not the ranking that is important although I will agree to make your misses with better players only can help. BUt to ALA sucess is more than just the recruiting.
 
Here is a question for the group. Explain Stanfords recent success? Without looking at numbers I bet they dont have the 5 star recruits nor could get a boatload based on the entrance standards but yet they have been a powerful program over the last 5 years? Coaching wouldnt have anything to do with that?

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 12:46 PM
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Since 2002, Rivals has given 42 RBs a 5 star rating….only 12 of those have ever made an active NFL roster and only 7 are on an active roster today. I would have guessed the # was a bit higher...closer to 25-30. But like we've all come to find out, the star ranking system can be flawed. There are 5 stars who don't sniff the field and there are 2 stars who become super bowl winning QB's...4 star kids who become benchwarmers and walk-ons who become all conference and make it to the NFL.

With that said, Bama won the recruiting for the 6th time in the last 7yrs and 3 NCs in that same time. There's a correlation.

The higher ranked player you get, the more entitlement too, but you’ve also got a better player. Your pipeline is always full when you only take 4/5 star kids, the odds of having more of them work out significantly increases. I'll take my chances with 4/5 star players over 2/3 star players every day and twice on Sunday.

Next to being employed by ESPN for bracketology...it's almost just as cushy to be tabbed as a recruiting director in charge of watching HS football and handing out stars.

Go Blue!!

this is where I differ with you scottsdale because To me you have to make do with what you have. If you are offering a kid a scholly then in some capactiy a coach feels they can help their team. Now are you going to hit on all of them no do they get hurt yes or in trouble yes or just dont pan out yes. So the key to me is more development of the kids that you fit in your system hence MSU's success. We have had our share of 5 star kids but I would take a 3 star kid that fits into what Um is trying to do and can contribute than a 5 star kids who you throw into the fire because someone elses evalution of them told you they were good.

Its the development and scheme not the ranking that is important although I will agree to make your misses with better players only can help. BUt to ALA sucess is more than just the recruiting.

Here is a question for the group. Explain Stanfords recent success? Without looking at numbers I bet they dont have the 5 star recruits nor could get a boatload based on the entrance standards but yet they have been a powerful program over the last 5 years? Coaching wouldnt have anything to do with that?

The two aren't mutually exclusive.
 
You need both talent and development. It isn't/doesn't have to be a choice between developing a 3 star or having a 5 star bust. That's not the only option on the table. Without talent, there is ceiling to how much you can truly succeed. Michigan State with it's team of 3 stars and a few 4s thrown in, while successful, will never win the NC and will always have an uphill climb to even win the Big 10 (they've won one is the last how many years????). No matter what caliber of kid you sign,you still need to develop, I don't think anyone is arguing that you don't. If you develop your team full of 3 stars and I develop my team full of 4s and 5s, when we get down to play my team is going wreck yours because the overall talent is much higher. My team's ceiling and ability will be much higher.
 
Stanford's recent success came on the back of a consensus top 5 QB in Andrew Luck (it also helped that U$C was in ruins). They've also pulled back to back top 15 classes on the heels of their success during the Luck years.
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 12:50 PM
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Here is a question for the group. Explain Stanfords recent success? Without looking at numbers I bet they dont have the 5 star recruits nor could get a boatload based on the entrance standards but yet they have been a powerful program over the last 5 years? Coaching wouldnt have anything to do with that?


Stanford recruiting rankings per Rivals:

2014 - #14
2013 - #64 (only took 11 players; #16 according to avg. star rating)
2012 - #5
2011 - #22
2010 - #26
2009 - #20

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 1:16 PM
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uneek1

Here is a question for the group. Explain Stanfords recent success? Without looking at numbers I bet they dont have the 5 star recruits nor could get a boatload based on the entrance standards but yet they have been a powerful program over the last 5 years? Coaching wouldnt have anything to do with that?


Stanford recruiting rankings per Rivals:

2014 - #14
2013 - #64 (only took 11 players; #16 according to avg. star rating)
2012 - #5
2011 - #22
2010 - #26
2009 - #20

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Ok so this kind of re-enforces my point. They had to devleop the lower ranked classes to start to get the better ranked kids to come there. Same at ALA same anywhere else. Again I will hang my hat on development. Plus the year they were ranked low speaks to non attrioton and development which falls on the staff. They are taking the right kids for their system.
 
Thanks for the info Scottsdale. Seriously I didnt know that about Standford.
 
 

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 1:33 PM
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I'm trying to think of the last 5* state of Michigan recruit that played lights.


5-star players since 2002:

Gabe Watson
Prescott Burgess
LaMarr Woodley
Chad Henne
Kevin Grady
Brandon Graham
Steve Schilling
Donovan Warren
William Campbell
Justin Turner
Kyle Kalis
Ondre Pipkins
Derrick Green
Dymonte Thomas

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I meant 5* from the state of MI. lol @ u adding Grady to your list, I did say "played lights out too"

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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 4:28 PM
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5 star players according to scout from the state of Michigan since 2002
2002
Kyle Brown - S - MSU  (undrafted)
2003
LaMarr Woodley - DE - Mich (2nd Round)
2005
Kevin Grady - RB - Mich (undrafted)
2006
Brandon Graham - LB - Mich (1st Round)
2007
Joseph Barksdale - DT - LSU (3rd Round)
Ronald Johnson - CB - USC (6th Round)
2008
Boubakar Cissoko - CB - Mich (Arena League I believe)
2009
William Campbell - DT - Mich (6th Round)
2010
Devin Gardner - QB - Mich (still in school)
William Gholston - DE - MSU (4th Round)
2011
Lawrence Thomas - DE - MSU (still in school)
2013
Shane Morris - QB - Mich (still in school)
2014
Malik McDowell - DE - MSU? (still in school)
 
So far only 2 have been light out those being Graham and Woodley
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Re:Is the WORM in the state of Michigan turning from Maize to green? - Friday, February 07, 2014 6:08 PM
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DG has the most promised left on the list IMO......of course green and pepps still to be ,determined. Man I hope pepps makes the graham/woodley list! (And DG too)