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College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:23 AM
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http://m.espn.go.com/wire../story?storyId=10363430



For the first time in the history of college sports, athletes are asking to be represented by a labor union, taking formal steps on Tuesday to begin the process of being recognized as employees, ESPN's "Outside The Lines" has learned.

Ramogi Huma, president of the National College Players Association, filed a petition in Chicago on behalf of football players at Northwestern University, submitting the form at the regional office of the National Labor Relations Board.

Backed by the United Steelworkers union, Huma also filed union cards signed by an undisclosed number of Northwestern players with the NLRB -- the federal statutory body that recognizes groups that seek collective bargaining rights.

"This is about finally giving college athletes a seat at the table," said Huma, a former UCLA linebacker, who created the NCPA as an advocacy group in 2001. "Athletes deserve an equal voice when it comes to their physical, academic and financial protections."

Huma told "Outside The Lines" that the move to unionize players at Northwestern started with quarterback Kain Colter, who reached out to him last spring and asked for help in giving athletes representation in their effort to improve the conditions under which they play NCAA sports. Colter became a leading voice in regular NCPA-organized conference calls among players from around the country.


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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:52 AM
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This is the beginning of the end....
 
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:57 AM
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Get ready for 5am stair climbers at Ryan Field...

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:17 PM
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Pat Fitzgerald wasn't a fan of this kind of stuff the last time around. It was inevitable though.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...ovement-230451663.html
 
 
Players have a legit case to want a seat at the table, and not just about getting paid. The distribution of power between player and school/coach is completely one sided. Coaches can bounced from team to team with free will, a player not only has to ask for his freedom papers, the school/coach has the ability to limit his movement which has led to some ridiculous situations (like Derek Dooley banning DeAnthony Arnett from half the schools in D1). Schools can yank scholarships from kids on a whim, from recruits who have signed LOI's to players on the roster who coaches simply want to dump to bring on bigger and better athletes.
 
Add in the CTE stuff and you have a laundry list of issues that affect players on a daily basis that players have been shut out of the process from.
 
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:38 PM
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Its amazing how this generation of kids is growing up with a sense of entitlement.  IF it wasn't for the college programs making SO MUCH MONEY (see DB's Salary) then I would be totally against it, but things being the way they are.....more power to 'em

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:51 PM
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Its amazing how this generation of kids is growing up with a sense of entitlement.  IF it wasn't for the college programs making SO MUCH MONEY (see DB's Salary) then I would be totally against it, but things being the way they are.....more power to 'em


To me I dont see them sensing entitlement. I see it as smart people who are doing something to change the system. Unions were developed in the first place to organize groups to have power against the working conditions of employers. As we all know the management will exploit the worker as long as they can. Right now the NCAA is exploiting student athletes to a degree. Yes they get a free education but nowadays a college degree is really not worth much related to the money they earn for the university.
 
It will be interesting to see if this catches on what the response from the NCAA will be.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:54 PM
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Legally, the players really don't have a leg to stand on because they are not employees and therefore cannot unionize. Also, there is legal precedence for college and amateur athletes not bring paid (and the lawsuit is not asking for athletes to get paid, YET).

However, I do think scholarships should be honored for 4 years.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:13 PM
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The idea of college athletes not being viewed as employees is one of the things I'd guess a union like this would challenge.
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:57 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:47 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

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Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:07 PM
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The writing has been on the wall for awhile. I believe this attempt to unionize will fail but eventually the 4 power conferences will break away from the NCAA & form a quasi minor league football league with paid players. College football is BIG business & these young men aren't going to continue to play "just" for scholarships.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:05 AM
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The second the unionize, don't they become "professionals" and lose their amateur status?


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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:38 AM
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The second the unionize, don't they become "professionals" and lose their amateur status?


I'm sure there is some fancy lawyer language that will get around that.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:58 AM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

GO BLUE!  

Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?

 
I figure the players time is worth the same as some guy flippin' burgers at Burger King but then again I am no expert.
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:22 AM
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The good news is we're safe.  Nobody at Michigan, from the players to the coaches, has earned a "paycheck" in 7 years.  They should pay US for even watching.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:26 AM
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The good news is we're safe.  Nobody at Michigan, from the players to the coaches, has earned a "paycheck" in 7 years.  They should pay US for even watching.



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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:09 AM
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I know the players don't see it this way, but they are getting a free education, free medical care, free food stipends ... yeah, yeah, it's not a "real" paycheck, but it's close enough, especially considering the low number of kids who go on to play in the NFL.
 
College is preparing them either for the NFL, or the professional workforce ... for free.
 
Pretty slick deal IMO.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:38 AM
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Sick deal? This may have been a sick deal in the days when amateurism actually meant something...but the only thing amateur about college football is the players. Coaches...paid on par with professional coaches. Athletic directors are being paid on par with GMs in the NFL. Teams are getting multi million dollar licensing deals. Tons of revenue is generated by the NCAA off the backs of these athletes...and all they get in return is what some countries call a basic right.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:52 AM
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I know the players don't see it this way, but they are getting a free education, free medical care, free food stipends ... yeah, yeah, it's not a "real" paycheck, but it's close enough, especially considering the low number of kids who go on to play in the NFL.

College is preparing them either for the NFL, or the professional workforce ... for free.

Pretty slick deal IMO.

Don't see it that way? That's not reality. None of that is free, players receive those things for services rendered. How about this, how about schools stop giving players a "free" education, medical care, food, stipends, etc. Charge them for their costs, but pay them what they're worth.
 
According to the Business Insider that would be between $191k and $578k per year for the average player. $470k per player, per year at Michigan.
http://www.businessinside...is-worth-578000-2013-9
 
I've said it again and again, if players were paid equal to the amount of money they bring into the university none of them would need scholarships from the school or anything else that schools "provide." Players could pay out of pocket plus have PLENTY left over if we went to an equal pay for equal service. That will never happen of course and schools would go bankrupt, which is why I find that objection to paying players a $400-500 a month stipend completely silly.
 
As for guys going on to the NFL, that's really irrelevant. The money is being generated at the college level, for the college game. The college game is big business.
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 10:57 AM
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The second the unionize, don't they become "professionals" and lose their amateur status?

What amateur status?
 
The term "amateur" being associated with college athletes is a complete joke. It's used simply as a way for ADs and college President to not pay their employees.
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:12 AM
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It will never happen that these players get paid because there is no perfect system. Here are the issues:
1. Who pays them? The NCAA should, but never will. Most universities can't afford to. Where will the money come from?
2. Do players at big programs (Mich, Bama, etc.) deserve more money than the players at FIU? After all, they are making more money for their school than the players at FIU make for theirs.
3. Do other sports get paid as well? You can't just pay the football players without paying the women's tennis team.
4. Does Jameis Winston deserve the same "salary" as the 4th string scholarship RB at UMass?
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:36 AM
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The lack of a perfect system is not a good reason to not pursue a "better." For years that was an argument for not having a playoff in college football. No said you need perfection. It's logistically possible for players to be paid equal to their worth, that's not a reason to throw up our hands and say just screw it. We know from the jump that players won't be paid equal to their worth, we're starting from that basis.

Again, the stipend model for doing this is already in place on every college in the country. GA's and TA's are paid a stipend in addition to their scholarship. No one is discussing a strict, pay for play model. There will be no contract negotiations for individual players.

It's only a matter of time before the "BCS conferences" break away from the rest of the pact. That will likely happen independent of whether college players draw a stipend or not.
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:37 AM
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My solution....
 
Take the average value of a 4 year scholarship to a FBS school and divide it by 4 (Because after all that is a sick deal). Make a rule that no AD can make more than that number. No CFB coach can make more than that number. No employee of the NCAA can make more than that number. No conference employee can make no more than that number....do this type of thing for a season or 2 and watch how fast everyone involved with college athletics (especially college football) would agree that college athletes deserve to get paid.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:47 AM
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The lack of a perfect system is not a good reason to not pursue a "better." For years that was an argument for not having a playoff in college football. No said you need perfection. It's logistically possible for players to be paid equal to their worth, that's not a reason to throw up our hands and say just screw it. We know from the jump that players won't be paid equal to their worth, we're starting from that basis.

Again, the stipend model for doing this is already in place on every college in the country. GA's and TA's are paid a stipend in addition to their scholarship. No one is discussing a strict, pay for play model. There will be no contract negotiations for individual players.

It' soundly a matter of time before the "BCS conferences" break away from the rest of the pact. That will likely happen independent of whether college players draw a stipend or not.


College players already draw a stipend, my friend. A pretty large stipend about 4-5 times a year.
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:17 PM
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One of the problems I see is the big rich schools such as O$U, Alabama, Texas, etc could easily promise a lot of money to all the top high school recruits that small schools could not find money for. This would put the smaller, poorer schools at a huge disadvantage not being able to get the talented players who would all go where the money is.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:19 PM
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College players already draw a stipend, my friend. A pretty large stipend about 4-5 times a year.

Define pretty large.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:17 PM
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Like when school ended December 14 and we left for the bowl game on Christmas day they got over $500 for ten days to "eat." It's not pretty large compared to MF4L's numbers but to act like they're not stipended is ludicrous.
 
MF4L, what is your idea of paying them then? And again I ask you, does the 4th string guy make the same as Jameis? Does the women's tennis team get paid too? If not, there cannot and will not ever be a system to put in place. You think Title IX was bad? See what happens when we start paying football players and no one else.
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:49 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

GO BLUE!  

Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?


I figure the players time is worth the same as some guy flippin' burgers at Burger King but then again I am no expert.

GO BLUE!


Man I need to go apply at BK! us Lowely Gvmt employees don't get that!

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:53 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

GO BLUE!  

Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?


I figure the players time is worth the same as some guy flippin' burgers at Burger King but then again I am no expert.

GO BLUE!


Man I need to go apply at BK! us Lowely Gvmt employees don't get that!

Who makes $10.10 flipping burgers at BK? The $10.10 minimum wage thing is to government contracts. i.e the guys who wash dishes at military bases, construction workers, and things of that sort.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:56 PM
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What about us ambulance drivers, u know .medics? Lol

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:03 PM
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Like when school ended December 14 and we left for the bowl game on Christmas day they got over $500 for ten days to "eat." It's not pretty large compared to MF4L's numbers but to act like they're not stipended is ludicrous.

That sounds like a per diem to me, not a stipend.  Also, $50/day to eat is not really that much.  You have a 200-330 lb guy in his late-teens or early-20s who's still growing, exercises like crazy, and he wants to eat relatively healthy, it's going to cost at least that much to feed him everyday. 
 
My per diem for the rare occasion I'm on the road for work is $75/day.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 2:06 PM
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What about us ambulance drivers, u know .medics? Lol

Call your congressman. Obama passed the $10.10 to government contracts through executive order...he can't do that though for the federal minimum wage...that has to be done through congress.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:45 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

GO BLUE!  

Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?


I figure the players time is worth the same as some guy flippin' burgers at Burger King but then again I am no expert.

GO BLUE!


Man I need to go apply at BK! us Lowely Gvmt employees don't get that!

Who makes $10.10 flipping burgers at BK? The $10.10 minimum wage thing is to government contracts. i.e the guys who wash dishes at military bases, construction workers, and things of that sort.

Before this becomes a full on political debate in a football forum, for the record I was just playing around.  Carry on.
 
(P.S. the guys who work on military bases making $10.10 an hour have no business working here in the first place, I have Privates to wash dishes!)
 
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 3:47 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

GO BLUE!  

Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?


I figure the players time is worth the same as some guy flippin' burgers at Burger King but then again I am no expert.

GO BLUE!


Man I need to go apply at BK! us Lowely Gvmt employees don't get that!

Who makes $10.10 flipping burgers at BK? The $10.10 minimum wage thing is to government contracts. i.e the guys who wash dishes at military bases, construction workers, and things of that sort.

Before this becomes a full on political debate in a football forum, for the record I was just making a playing around.  Carry on.

(P.S. the guys who work on military bases making $10.10 an hour have no business working here in the first place, I have Privates to wash dishes!)

GO BLUE!

I think I speak for everyone there when I say this....but no one wants your privates touching those dishes 

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:13 PM
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HATE TO BRING THIS INTO THE CONVERSATION.
 
TITLE IX, TITLE IX, TITLE IX ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:35 PM
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HATE TO BRING THIS INTO THE CONVERSATION.

TITLE IX, TITLE IX, TITLE IX ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I already brought it.
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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:46 PM
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Monkeys will fly when a field hockey player is paid like the starting QB.

How many kids from a recruiting class actually contribute and help? 7-10? How many of those guys go onto the NFL and star? 1?

Besides, schools don't have the money to pay athletes. Most schools throughout the country at the division 1 level are having trouble managing their athletic budget without having to pay players. Most of division 1 schools income from sports comes from football and only 14 of the 120+ major college football programs made money.

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Wednesday, January 29, 2014 5:05 PM
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Ah hell, give em a guaranteed 4 year scholarship for tuition, books, boarding, meals and whatever else I may be forgetting when calculating an education and $10.10 an hour for time spent performing scholarship related sports activities.  Call it good.

GO BLUE!  

Just curious where u came up with the $10.10 rate?


I figure the players time is worth the same as some guy flippin' burgers at Burger King but then again I am no expert.

GO BLUE!


Man I need to go apply at BK! us Lowely Gvmt employees don't get that!

Who makes $10.10 flipping burgers at BK? The $10.10 minimum wage thing is to government contracts. i.e the guys who wash dishes at military bases, construction workers, and things of that sort.

Before this becomes a full on political debate in a football forum, for the record I was just playing around.  Carry on.

(P.S. the guys who work on military bases making $10.10 an hour have no business working here in the first place, I have Privates to wash dishes!)

GO BLUE!

I know.... I was just messing up with ya...

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:48 AM
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Back to the original topic, this "union" is not about getting paid.  The Northwestern QB already said they're getting paid-called a scholarship and it's tax free to boot.  They just want a "voice at the table" and if it's not about money (at least right now) it must be about safe working conditions.  Those are the two things unions provide so I guess they want to sit next to the iron worker who is demanding new safety harnesses when working on the 50th floor and an agreement that says they don't have to work in 30 below weather.  Not sure what the college football player will want but we'll see.  95% of these kids couldn't qualify for schools like Northwestern without football and basketball scholarships so let's stop acting like this is slavery.  That's laughable.  They get a free ride (which by the way is PAYMENT) and the real stars, the ones that make the real money for these schools (and you can count on ONE hand the # of these every season) only have to deal with these "horrible" conditions for two friggin' years?  Give me  a break.  Poor babies.  It's really simple: don't play.  Get a job with the iron worker and then you can talk about serious work-related issues.  

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Re:College Football (Athletes) Union - Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:10 AM
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TK, I think the biggest issue most people have is the amount of money that other people are making off of these kids. The fact that salaries for the powers that be are always in the 6 figures concern people moreso than the work-related issues.
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