Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat

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Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 8:29 AM
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...no matter what David Brandon says.
 

But an evaluation of Hoke’s record at Michigan seems to tell a different story. With a 15-11 record over the last two years, two consecutive bowl losses and a 2-4 record versus Big Ten rivals Ohio State and Michigan State, questions about Hoke’s status are legitimate.

 
http://bleacherreport.com...oke-is-on-the-hot-seat
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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 8:34 AM
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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 8:53 AM
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In Brandon's eyes, what's enough to bring him back? Doesn't matter what you or me or the fans think so what does Hoke and Michigan have to do in 2014? 10 wins? 8-9 wins? Make it to the Big 10 Champ game?

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 9:49 AM
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I'm not sure I'm even thinking in terms of wins, although obviously that's what everything is based upon eventually and that's fair.  But  he won 11 his 1st year and look what's happened since.  I'm just looking for player development and improvement from week to week. (that's what happens when the expectation bar has been set to an all-time low I suppose.)  I remember a passage in Bo's book when he talked about going to watch a recruit's HS game but became fixated on the coach instead because he didn't hold a clipboard, didn't wear a headset the entire game, and just walked up and down the sidelines while his assistants did all the work.  Bo thought there was no reason to have this guy as a HC because he had no idea what was going on during the game and was far from a leader.  Bo was old school but this kind of reminds me of Hoke so unless our assistants can make him look really good, I don't think he's a big-time coach, a great football mind, or a leader.  He may bag a 10 win season here or there (MAYBE) but overall?   

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 10:03 AM
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I'm not sure I'm even thinking in terms of wins, although obviously that's what everything is based upon eventually and that's fair.  But  he won 11 his 1st year and look what's happened since.  I'm just looking for player development and improvement from week to week. (that's what happens when the expectation bar has been set to an all-time low I suppose.)  I remember a passage in Bo's book when he talked about going to watch a recruit's HS game but became fixated on the coach instead because he didn't hold a clipboard, didn't wear a headset the entire game, and just walked up and down the sidelines while his assistants did all the work.  Bo thought there was no reason to have this guy as a HC because he had no idea what was going on during the game and was far from a leader.  Bo was old school but this kind of reminds me of Hoke so unless our assistants can make him look really good, I don't think he's a big-time coach, a great football mind, or a leader.  He may bag a 10 win season here or there (MAYBE) but overall?   

Did anyone watch the 1989 show on B10 network?  Bo took a real active interest in the team, even gave them the best motivational speech any of them have ever heard.  Bo took more of a role in the Basketball team than I knew, great coaches can motivate, I am not sure Brady can motivate this team yet.  

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 11:07 AM
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The point I was trying to make is that at some programs the seat is *always* warm.
 
Here at Michigan the program was hurting before Brandon and Hoke took over and the slide continues. It takes a while to stop the negative momentum but with a new president starting at UM even Brandon might find himself on the hot seat if Hoke doesn't turn it around.
 
The player development is the thing that worries me, we need to see a lot more this next season. It's not just the losing per se, it's how they're losing that really bothers me. The wild swings on offense and the regression of the offensive line is troublesome. 
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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 12:19 PM
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I think he has to be. If there was a team Hoke could point to and say that is what we want to be it would be Bama. Well, now you have their OC. You have a highly respected DC. You have several highly rated recruiting classes...and coming in is possibly the biggest recruit we have landed since probably Drew Henson. He is in year 4, this roster is Hoke's roster...only a couple RR recruits are left on it. The excuses cannot persist anymore...it is time to step up or step out.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 12:40 PM
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It all goes together...if we see player development, that will translate into wins on the field. If we don't see it (like this season) we will have another 7-6 type season which is completely unacceptable.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 1:27 PM
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I'm not sure I'm even thinking in terms of wins, although obviously that's what everything is based upon eventually and that's fair.  But  he won 11 his 1st year and look what's happened since.  I'm just looking for player development and improvement from week to week. (that's what happens when the expectation bar has been set to an all-time low I suppose.)  I remember a passage in Bo's book when he talked about going to watch a recruit's HS game but became fixated on the coach instead because he didn't hold a clipboard, didn't wear a headset the entire game, and just walked up and down the sidelines while his assistants did all the work.  Bo thought there was no reason to have this guy as a HC because he had no idea what was going on during the game and was far from a leader.  Bo was old school but this kind of reminds me of Hoke so unless our assistants can make him look really good, I don't think he's a big-time coach, a great football mind, or a leader.  He may bag a 10 win season here or there (MAYBE) but overall?   


I’ve always said that about his in-game presence and sideline involvement in the game…there just doesn’t seem to be much there. All he does is clap at everything that happens, good or bad…haha. I’m sure he does have some leadership qualities, motivational techniques, etc…that I don’t doubt. But has far as a great football mind and big time head coach…that he is not. He can talk the talk and I’m sure is great with the kids and their families. But when it comes to putting together an overall game plan, X’ & O’s, strategies, in-game adjustment etc…it just isn’t there. I think we knew when he got hired that he wasn’t going to be at Michigan for a super long time, I think the hope was he would bring us back closer to Michigan football (on and off the field) before going out and then bringing in a big time coach to walk us up to the top of the peak.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Friday, January 17, 2014 2:06 PM
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I don't think DB would admit to making such a high profile mistake. It would reflect poorly on the legend of DB.
 
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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:57 AM
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I don't think DB would admit to making such a high profile mistake. It would reflect poorly on the legend of DB.

 
So true.  We think our coaching is our biggest problem but it's really not, which is even scarier.  

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:43 AM
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http://athlonsports.com/c...tball-predictions-2014



3. Michigan
Brady Hoke knows the pressure to win is growing in Ann Arbor, as evidenced by firing offensive coordinator Al Borges for Doug Nussmeier nearly two weeks after the season ended. Nussmeier's first order of business is to develop consistency and efficiency from his supposed star quarterback Devin Gardner. The senior-to-be has shown flashes of Heisman brilliance in some games (SEE: Notre Dame, Ohio State) while causing fans to shake their heads in other contests (SEE: Every other game). Improved offensive line play, despite replacing both tackles, and an effective running game would go a long way in helping Gardner iron out his kinks. With Jeremy Gallon gone, someone around him needs to step up and make plays, be it tight end Devin Funchess or rising sophomore Derrick Green. The defense shouldn’t be an issue as seven starters return to a unit that has been ranked in the top half of the Big Ten every year since finishing dead last in defense the season before Hoke arrived. Non-conference games at Notre Dame and Utah at home certainly won't be easy, and both matchups come before a tough start to conference play: Minnesota, at Rutgers, Penn State and at Michigan State. Indiana, Northwestern an open week and Maryland make for a nice build-up, however, to the season-ending trip to Columbus. The schedule isn’t overly difficult considering how tough the East Division should be so Hoke will be expected to make obvious headway in 2014 — or his job could be in jeopardy.


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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:31 PM
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Honestly, I thought Hoke could develop and teach young men.  This is what I was most looking forward to that I thought Rich Rod didn't do.  Sadly, this isn't happening at all.  Shame.
 
DB's ego is bigger than Michigan Stadium and it keeps growing with all that cash rolling through the door.  No one can tell him anything. 

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:23 AM
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I've been waiting 2 years to see line improvement on both sides of the ball and there is none. All one has to do is look at Michigan State and how their "dreaded" near dead-last offensive production turned the corner mid-season. Why hasn't Hoke been able to do the same with higher rated prospects? DB's playing 10 yards off receivers virtually guarantees a first down every time, no pass rush whatsoever. Can't block, LB'ers are too slow and have virtually no athleticism, safety play is dreadful, etc... Basically all that's changed is the defense bending to the point of breaking totally, unlike Rodriguez's defenses which crashed and burned week after week...
 
I hope they turn things around but I don't see too many athletes on this team. Lots of slow players and not physical at all. Hopefully Nussmeier coming in can change some attitudes.. Having worked for guys like Saban and Sarkisian I'd imagine it'll be a a bit more snippy and less happy camper style that they've employed since they got here. at least Rodriguez carried an edge to his personality.. To me, Hoke looks soft and a players coach, hence the lack of discipline and passion to play hard to mean. Frank Clark saying the lack if leadership is the reason they lost that bowl game is just unacceptable and basically proves that Hoke doesn't put leaders on the field that actually lead, he anoints the seniors to lead the team regardless if they actually want to or not.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:25 AM
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Reading Charlie Strong's presser at Texas about going to the seniors to either lead the team or get ran over sounds like what SHOULD be happening here to but it's not. Hoke and staff keep running the same players out there for no reason other than the fact they are upper classmen. Hence the split in the locker room, you have young kids that want to play and upper classmen that just go through the motion.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:01 PM
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Reading Charlie Strong's presser at Texas about going to the seniors to either lead the team or get ran over sounds like what SHOULD be happening here to but it's not. Hoke and staff keep running the same players out there for no reason other than the fact they are upper classmen. Hence the split in the locker room, you have young kids that want to play and upper classmen that just go through the motion.
 
 
I would say this is similar to the last several years of Lloyd's tenure.  Coaches go soft after a period of time and it shows in their inability to make kids tough.  Hoke is having problems balancing the family atmosphere and getting his kids to play their best while developing their skills.  Family is about tough love sometimes.  Hopefully Doug kicks some butt on that offense and makes them angry.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:08 PM
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I hope they turn things around but I don't see too many athletes on this team.

I would put Gardner, Funchess and DeVeon Smith up against any QB-WR-RB combo in the country when it comes to athleticism.   They have the tools to be all-americans, but, at least with Gardner and Funchess, their decision making is sometimes suspect.  Hopefully, Nuss and his staff come up with ways to get their mental games on par with their physical prowess.
 
Of course, if the o-line can give them all another second or two to make the right decision, that would help immeasurably. 
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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:47 PM
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You can't coach football IQ. Devin just doesn't have it.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 2:50 PM
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Would love to see him do well. Hope i'm wrong..

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:37 PM
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Wolverine076

I hope they turn things around but I don't see too many athletes on this team.

I would put Gardner, Funchess and DeVeon Smith up against any QB-WR-RB combo in the country when it comes to athleticism.   They have the tools to be all-americans, but, at least with Gardner and Funchess, their decision making is sometimes suspect.  Hopefully, Nuss and his staff come up with ways to get their mental games on par with their physical prowess.

Of course, if the o-line can give them all another second or two to make the right decision, that would help immeasurably. 

Really? Based on what? I am by no means a "hater" of my teams own players but really? Funchess couldn't catch a cold last half of the season, Devin just doesn't have very good decision making skills and Smith, not really any different than any other RB on the roster. Yeah, the OL plays into that obviously but still... 13 games later and there's no improvement anywhere. I honestly want to believe Devin will be a different player next year but I don't know how you just turn the "dumb" switch off and on... How Funk still has a job is beyond me but I get it, signing day is close... After that, I'd be shocked if he's still here. Nussmeier can only work with what he has, and like Mattison, that's not much.
 
All those STUD linebacker recruits over the last 3 years, nobody looks like a great MICHIGAN linebacker. All those great OL recruits the last 3 years, yeah they are young, but who stands out as a potential stud? None. All these defensive ends and NOBODY can pass rush. All these DB's and nobody can defend... I honestly don't know what Brandon sees that the rest of us don't because he was highly critical of Rodriguez yet seems to pass the buck on Hoke.

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:52 PM
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Been AWOL for some time but found my way back. I really want to believe in Hoke...his initial press conference really won me over...but was reaching the end of my rope! Then he came through, with the Borges firing, when I didn't foresee him doing anything. My faith was a bit restored...though, I would still like to see changes at OL & DB coach + a DL coaching hire.
 
Anyway, this will be Hoke's fourth year, in charge, & it's time to start producing 10-win seasons & B1G titles and stop coming up with excuses. So, it's simple...win 10+ games in 2014, INCLUDING a bowl game! Otherwise, that seat will become "scorching"!
 
Of course, it would help if the OL improves bigtime, the DL develops a solid pass rush & improves v the run and the secondary STOPS giving up big pass plays...but want to see major improvement on ALL levels!
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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:01 PM
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You can't coach football IQ. Devin just doesn't have it.

What?!?!?!?

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Re:Why Brady Hoke Is on the Hot Seat - Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:26 AM
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MgoBrett


You can't coach football IQ. Devin just doesn't have it.

What?!?!?!?

 
I was going to jump on that one too but didn't have the energy.  That's the one thing you CAN coach.  But I guess these guys all think Tom Brady just showed up as a rookie at the Pats camp and was the smartest guy on the field.