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Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:16 AM
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Last week, Michigan head football coach Brady Hoke replaced embattled offensive coordinator Al Borges with Doug Nussmeier, who comes from Alabama where he served as offensive coordinator under Nick Saban for the past two seasons.
Nussmeier helped Alabama set offensive records in his first season (2012) for touchdowns (68), total points (542) and total offense (6,237). He also mentored quarterback AJ McCarron while capturing a national title. But the Alabama offensestuttered somewhat this past season, as Alabama failed to defend its national title.

 
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:48 AM
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Yeahhhh the offense...not the lack of effort on special teams, huh? I can't believe their special teams coach hasnt been sh*t canned yet.

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:48 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.
 
Defense

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:31 PM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.
 
I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:26 PM
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Is it possible our defend has regressed from the RR era? Lol that's S.A.D. SAD!

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:50 PM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.

I think he was saying Offense was not the problem at Bama b/c Phil wrote that it 'stuttered somewhat this past season'.
 
I agree with swoosh (shudder).  Bama averaged more PPG and YPG this year than last according to Rivals, but they played one fewer game not qualifying for the SEC championship game, so the aggregate numbers were down.  Their D allowed a little more PPG and almost 30 yards more per game in 2013 versus 2012. 

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:51 PM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:10 AM
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:18 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

Go Blue!!

Hopefully those days are over.  Nussmeier has matched wits with some of the best defensive minds in the country at Bama, he should be able to with Narduzzi as well.
 
We may actually enjoy a schematic advantage on offense for a change.
 
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:44 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

Go Blue!!

Hopefully those days are over.  Nussmeier has matched wits with some of the best defensive minds in the country at Bama, he should be able to with Narduzzi as well.

We may actually enjoy a schematic advantage on offense for a change.

 
 
 
Don't bet on it.

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:13 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

Go Blue!!

Hopefully those days are over.  Nussmeier has matched wits with some of the best defensive minds in the country at Bama, he should be able to with Narduzzi as well.

We may actually enjoy a schematic advantage on offense for a change.




Don't bet on it.


Why do you say that?

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:33 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

Go Blue!!

Hopefully those days are over.  Nussmeier has matched wits with some of the best defensive minds in the country at Bama, he should be able to with Narduzzi as well.

We may actually enjoy a schematic advantage on offense for a change.




Don't bet on it.


Why do you say that?

Go Blue!!

I`m guessing this is where the "Bama was ridiculously talented, a boob could win with their talent" argument comes in.
 
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:37 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

Go Blue!!

Hopefully those days are over.  Nussmeier has matched wits with some of the best defensive minds in the country at Bama, he should be able to with Narduzzi as well.

We may actually enjoy a schematic advantage on offense for a change.




Don't bet on it.


Why do you say that?

Go Blue!!

I`m guessing this is where the "Bama was ridiculously talented, a boob could win with their talent" argument comes in.

Michigan had some pretty good talent in the Carr era, they lost more than they should have.

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:40 AM
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Nussmeier is a good coach, but if you're under the impression that he radically changed Alabama's offense and is going to be able to magically apply some sort of wizardry to this Michigan roster so it suddenly resembles the last two years of smashmouth Alabama football, you're daydreaming and haven't been paying attention.
 
But that wasn't even my point. The "schematic advantage" is something Michigan has very specifically stayed away from. "Schematic advantage" is what Malzahn at Auburn, Kelly at Oregon, Meyer at OSU, etc. utilize. Stretching the field horizontally and vertically, stressing the defense at every imaginable point until it breaks. Hoke isn't interested in any of that, and neither is the offensive coordinator he just hired from Alabama. Lining up and bullying the guys in front of you isn't "schematic advantage." It's the oldschool 1970s era "manball" that Michigan and Michigan fans have a fetish for.
 
At Ohio State, they line up with 3 wide to spread the field, clear the box, and let 240-pound Carlos Hyde rumble up the middle with little resistance.
 
At Michigan, the goal is to try and be what Stanford and Alabama have become. Line up in the I, with two tight ends, basically tell the defense what you're going to do, and then do it anyway because your guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than their guys. It can work out just fine, when you actually ARE bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the other team. When you're not, you look foolish as you plunge your fullback into a stacked line that loses the Rose Bowl because MSU knew it was coming.
 
Michigan is not, has not, and will not be about obtaining a "schematic advantage."

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:47 AM
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It was not the offense that was the problem.

Defense

We haven't scored an offensive TD against Sparty in 2 years. We ranked 87th in total offense, 46th in scoring offense, 103rd in rushing offense, 51st in passing offense, and led the country in negative plays.

I don't give the defense a free pass because they have plenty of issues (worse D-line and secondary in years), but the offense was and has been in terrible shape.


I’m sure some sparty rube out there has a t-shirt or sign that says something like ‘1095 days since little brother scored a TD against us…’

Go Blue!!

Hopefully those days are over.  Nussmeier has matched wits with some of the best defensive minds in the country at Bama, he should be able to with Narduzzi as well.

We may actually enjoy a schematic advantage on offense for a change.




Don't bet on it.


Why do you say that?

Go Blue!!

I`m guessing this is where the "Bama was ridiculously talented, a boob could win with their talent" argument comes in.

Michigan had some pretty good talent in the Carr era, they lost more than they should have.

Oh I don't buy the talent argument, it's just one that's out there. His years at Washington disprove the talent argument IMO.
 
Bama has had a talent advantage over most teams for years, they still went out and scored below their potential (say the 6pts they scored against LSU in 2010. Alabama scored almost a TD more under Nuss than they averaged over the previous 4 years that included NC teams and teams with more offensive talent than the last 2 seasons. Nuss never had a Julio Jones outside, or a Trent Richardson/Ingram in the backfield. Lacy and Yeldon are definitely talented, but different from T-Rich and Ingram. Both of whom were 1st round picks.
 
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:20 AM
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Nussmeier is a good coach, but if you're under the impression that he radically changed Alabama's offense and is going to be able to magically apply some sort of wizardry to this Michigan roster so it suddenly resembles the last two years of smashmouth Alabama football, you're daydreaming and haven't been paying attention.

But that wasn't even my point. The "schematic advantage" is something Michigan has very specifically stayed away from. "Schematic advantage" is what Malzahn at Auburn, Kelly at Oregon, Meyer at OSU, etc. utilize. Stretching the field horizontally and vertically, stressing the defense at every imaginable point until it breaks. Hoke isn't interested in any of that, and neither is the offensive coordinator he just hired from Alabama. Lining up and bullying the guys in front of you isn't "schematic advantage." It's the oldschool 1970s era "manball" that Michigan and Michigan fans have a fetish for.

At Ohio State, they line up with 3 wide to spread the field, clear the box, and let 240-pound Carlos Hyde rumble up the middle with little resistance.

At Michigan, the goal is to try and be what Stanford and Alabama have become. Line up in the I, with two tight ends, basically tell the defense what you're going to do, and then do it anyway because your guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than their guys. It can work out just fine, when you actually ARE bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the other team. When you're not, you look foolish as you plunge your fullback into a stacked line that loses the Rose Bowl because MSU knew it was coming.

Michigan is not, has not, and will not be about obtaining a "schematic advantage."

 
after the last several years of UM fb (besides 2011), I wouldn't mind having stanford/bama results of the past two years.  besides that, what usually happens when a team that has a schematic advantage (oregon, using your example) plays a physical style FB team (i.e. stanford)?
 
malzahn, meyer, helfrich (oregon HC), etc are great coaches and very creative, but even in today's game, FB comes down to blocking + tackling, as well running the ball and the ability to stop the run.  these two components largely determine the success of a  FB team
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:27 AM
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Nussmeier is a good coach, but if you're under the impression that he radically changed Alabama's offense and is going to be able to magically apply some sort of wizardry to this Michigan roster so it suddenly resembles the last two years of smashmouth Alabama football, you're daydreaming and haven't been paying attention.

But that wasn't even my point. The "schematic advantage" is something Michigan has very specifically stayed away from. "Schematic advantage" is what Malzahn at Auburn, Kelly at Oregon, Meyer at OSU, etc. utilize. Stretching the field horizontally and vertically, stressing the defense at every imaginable point until it breaks. Hoke isn't interested in any of that, and neither is the offensive coordinator he just hired from Alabama. Lining up and bullying the guys in front of you isn't "schematic advantage." It's the oldschool 1970s era "manball" that Michigan and Michigan fans have a fetish for.

At Ohio State, they line up with 3 wide to spread the field, clear the box, and let 240-pound Carlos Hyde rumble up the middle with little resistance.

At Michigan, the goal is to try and be what Stanford and Alabama have become. Line up in the I, with two tight ends, basically tell the defense what you're going to do, and then do it anyway because your guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than their guys. It can work out just fine, when you actually ARE bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the other team. When you're not, you look foolish as you plunge your fullback into a stacked line that loses the Rose Bowl because MSU knew it was coming.

Michigan is not, has not, and will not be about obtaining a "schematic advantage."


after the last several years of UM fb (besides 2011), I wouldn't mind having stanford/bama results in the past two years.  besides that, what usually happens when a team that has a schematic advantage (oregon, using your example) plays a physical style FB team (i.e. stanford)?

malzahn, meyer, helfrich (oregon HC), etc are great coaches and very creative, but even in today's game, FB comes down to blocking + tackling, as well running the ball and the ability to stop the run.  these two components largely determine the success of a  FB team

For every game that you point out like Stanford beating Oregon there is a TCU beating Wisconsin, Oregon and App State beating Michigan, Texas beating USC, and Utah/A&M/Auburn beating Bama. 

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:38 AM
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Nussmeier is a good coach, but if you're under the impression that he radically changed Alabama's offense and is going to be able to magically apply some sort of wizardry to this Michigan roster so it suddenly resembles the last two years of smashmouth Alabama football, you're daydreaming and haven't been paying attention.

But that wasn't even my point. The "schematic advantage" is something Michigan has very specifically stayed away from. "Schematic advantage" is what Malzahn at Auburn, Kelly at Oregon, Meyer at OSU, etc. utilize. Stretching the field horizontally and vertically, stressing the defense at every imaginable point until it breaks. Hoke isn't interested in any of that, and neither is the offensive coordinator he just hired from Alabama. Lining up and bullying the guys in front of you isn't "schematic advantage." It's the oldschool 1970s era "manball" that Michigan and Michigan fans have a fetish for.

At Ohio State, they line up with 3 wide to spread the field, clear the box, and let 240-pound Carlos Hyde rumble up the middle with little resistance.

At Michigan, the goal is to try and be what Stanford and Alabama have become. Line up in the I, with two tight ends, basically tell the defense what you're going to do, and then do it anyway because your guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than their guys. It can work out just fine, when you actually ARE bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the other team. When you're not, you look foolish as you plunge your fullback into a stacked line that loses the Rose Bowl because MSU knew it was coming.

Michigan is not, has not, and will not be about obtaining a "schematic advantage."


after the last several years of UM fb (besides 2011), I wouldn't mind having stanford/bama results in the past two years.  besides that, what usually happens when a team that has a schematic advantage (oregon, using your example) plays a physical style FB team (i.e. stanford)?

malzahn, meyer, helfrich (oregon HC), etc are great coaches and very creative, but even in today's game, FB comes down to blocking + tackling, as well running the ball and the ability to stop the run.  these two components largely determine the success of a  FB team

For every game that you point out like Stanford beating Oregon there is a TCU beating Wisconsin, Oregon and App State beating Michigan, Texas beating USC, and Utah/A&M/Auburn beating Bama. 

 
i knew this would be mentioned, so let me just say that I should have put the word usually in size 40 font, as in, more often than not, when a flash-and-dash/basketball on grass/glitzy teams play teams play more physically tough and fundamentally sound teams, the latter tends to fare better.  yes, texas beat USC with probably the most naturally/freakishly talented college QB in the history of the game.  yes, A&M beat bama with arguably the most talented dual threat QB ever.  but again, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, teams that are tough, physical, and fundamentally stout will have more long term success, and are less reliant on individually freak talents like vince young, manziel, and one in a million chance endings (iron bowl)



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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:00 PM
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Nussmeier is a good coach, but if you're under the impression that he radically changed Alabama's offense and is going to be able to magically apply some sort of wizardry to this Michigan roster so it suddenly resembles the last two years of smashmouth Alabama football, you're daydreaming and haven't been paying attention.

But that wasn't even my point. The "schematic advantage" is something Michigan has very specifically stayed away from. "Schematic advantage" is what Malzahn at Auburn, Kelly at Oregon, Meyer at OSU, etc. utilize. Stretching the field horizontally and vertically, stressing the defense at every imaginable point until it breaks. Hoke isn't interested in any of that, and neither is the offensive coordinator he just hired from Alabama. Lining up and bullying the guys in front of you isn't "schematic advantage." It's the oldschool 1970s era "manball" that Michigan and Michigan fans have a fetish for.

At Ohio State, they line up with 3 wide to spread the field, clear the box, and let 240-pound Carlos Hyde rumble up the middle with little resistance.

At Michigan, the goal is to try and be what Stanford and Alabama have become. Line up in the I, with two tight ends, basically tell the defense what you're going to do, and then do it anyway because your guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than their guys. It can work out just fine, when you actually ARE bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the other team. When you're not, you look foolish as you plunge your fullback into a stacked line that loses the Rose Bowl because MSU knew it was coming.

Michigan is not, has not, and will not be about obtaining a "schematic advantage."


after the last several years of UM fb (besides 2011), I wouldn't mind having stanford/bama results in the past two years.  besides that, what usually happens when a team that has a schematic advantage (oregon, using your example) plays a physical style FB team (i.e. stanford)?

malzahn, meyer, helfrich (oregon HC), etc are great coaches and very creative, but even in today's game, FB comes down to blocking + tackling, as well running the ball and the ability to stop the run.  these two components largely determine the success of a  FB team

For every game that you point out like Stanford beating Oregon there is a TCU beating Wisconsin, Oregon and App State beating Michigan, Texas beating USC, and Utah/A&M/Auburn beating Bama. 


i knew this would be mentioned, so let me just say that I should have put the word usually in size 40 font, as in, more often than not, when a flash-and-dash/basketball on grass/glitzy teams play teams play more physically tough and fundamentally sound teams, the latter tends to fare better.  yes, texas beat USC with probably the most naturally/freakishly talented college QB in the history of the game.  yes, A&M beat bama with arguably the most talented dual threat QB ever.  but again, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, teams that are tough, physical, and fundamentally stout will have more long term success, and are less reliant on individually freak talents like vince young, manziel, and one in a million chance endings (iron bowl)

The fundamentally sound part I agree with...the tough/physical part I do not. TCU beat Wisconsin because they were more fundamentally sound even though they pushed around the Horned Frogs defense with ease. In the end though TCU held Wisconsin to its worst offensive performance of the season. Before the current 2 game win streak Stanford has over Oregon, Oregon had a 2 game win streak where they beat Stanford by 21 and 23....even though Stanford was the tougher more physical team. These were Stanford teams that went to BCS games, in fact their record over those 2 seasons was 23-3...the 3 losses were to Oregon twice and Oklahoma State another team less physical than they are. 
 
 

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:42 PM
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You can still gain a schematic advantage in the pro-style offense. Mgoblog has a nice post up regarding Bama/OU and how Bama's offense used their base play (inside zone) with their counters and counters-to-counters all throughout ONE game. Borges would show a look, and not come back with the counters until the next week, or multiple weeks down the road. Just adjusting and adapting the offense to what's working is where Nuss will make the most noticeable improvement. Single back, I-form, pistol and shotgun have all been in Nuss's playbook for quite some time.
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:10 PM
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You can still gain a schematic advantage in the pro-style offense. Mgoblog has a nice post up regarding Bama/OU and how Bama's offense used their base play (inside zone) with their counters and counters-to-counters all throughout ONE game. Borges would show a look, and not come back with the counters until the next week, or multiple weeks down the road. Just adjusting and adapting the offense to what's working is where Nuss will make the most noticeable improvement. Single back, I-form, pistol and shotgun have all been in Nuss's playbook for quite some time.

Exactly.
 
Schematic advantage has zero to do with Spread vs. Pro-Style. Coaching in the NFL in most cases comes down to scheme, game planing, and adjusting. I`m not expecting Nuss to come in and radically change the offense, doing so won't automatically give Michigan a schematic advantage. There are plenty of spread teams that get out schemed and there are plenty of pro-style teams that get out schemed. You can out scheme just as easily out of the pro-style as you can the spread.
 
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Nussmeier is a good coach, but if you're under the impression that he radically changed Alabama's offense and is going to be able to magically apply some sort of wizardry to this Michigan roster so it suddenly resembles the last two years of smashmouth Alabama football, you're daydreaming and haven't been paying attention.

But that wasn't even my point. The "schematic advantage" is something Michigan has very specifically stayed away from. "Schematic advantage" is what Malzahn at Auburn, Kelly at Oregon, Meyer at OSU, etc. utilize. Stretching the field horizontally and vertically, stressing the defense at every imaginable point until it breaks. Hoke isn't interested in any of that, and neither is the offensive coordinator he just hired from Alabama. Lining up and bullying the guys in front of you isn't "schematic advantage." It's the oldschool 1970s era "manball" that Michigan and Michigan fans have a fetish for.

At Ohio State, they line up with 3 wide to spread the field, clear the box, and let 240-pound Carlos Hyde rumble up the middle with little resistance.

At Michigan, the goal is to try and be what Stanford and Alabama have become. Line up in the I, with two tight ends, basically tell the defense what you're going to do, and then do it anyway because your guys are bigger, stronger, faster, and better than their guys. It can work out just fine, when you actually ARE bigger, stronger, faster, and better than the other team. When you're not, you look foolish as you plunge your fullback into a stacked line that loses the Rose Bowl because MSU knew it was coming.

Michigan is not, has not, and will not be about obtaining a "schematic advantage."


after the last several years of UM fb (besides 2011), I wouldn't mind having stanford/bama results in the past two years.  besides that, what usually happens when a team that has a schematic advantage (oregon, using your example) plays a physical style FB team (i.e. stanford)?

malzahn, meyer, helfrich (oregon HC), etc are great coaches and very creative, but even in today's game, FB comes down to blocking + tackling, as well running the ball and the ability to stop the run.  these two components largely determine the success of a  FB team

For every game that you point out like Stanford beating Oregon there is a TCU beating Wisconsin, Oregon and App State beating Michigan, Texas beating USC, and Utah/A&M/Auburn beating Bama. 


i knew this would be mentioned, so let me just say that I should have put the word usually in size 40 font, as in, more often than not, when a flash-and-dash/basketball on grass/glitzy teams play teams play more physically tough and fundamentally sound teams, the latter tends to fare better.  yes, texas beat USC with probably the most naturally/freakishly talented college QB in the history of the game.  yes, A&M beat bama with arguably the most talented dual threat QB ever.  but again, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, teams that are tough, physical, and fundamentally stout will have more long term success, and are less reliant on individually freak talents like vince young, manziel, and one in a million chance endings (iron bowl)

It's 2014 and we're still dealing with this???????
 
More than not is not even an accurate statement (there's zero evidence to support the claim that pro-style or power running teams have a higher winning % than spread teams). There is no "what usually happens" it varies from game to game and team to team. Even worse is the idea that a spread team, no matter the variation, is not tough, physical, or fundamentally sound. Or ignoring that there are pro-style teams that are soft, finesse, and have shotty fundamentals. It has ZERO to do with scheme. Despite the nonsense that some coaches may spew (mainly those who prefer a power run offense) a scheme does not make you tough, or physical, or play with better fundmentals. X's and O's don't create those things.
 
The idea that because you run out of a 3 or 4 WR set as opposed to a 2 WR set with a TE and FB, automatically makes you less tough or less physical is absurd and an absolute fallacy. It sounds nice, it makes for a great soundbite but it's patently false.
 
Toughness, physicality, and fundamentals exist independent of scheme.
 
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:32 PM
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The best run play in football (and has been for a few years now) is power out of three wide receiver sets. You can combine schemes and spread the field while still running the most basic, backbone play of the pro style offense. 3 wide, 1 tight, and singleback is my favorite, but 3 wide with two backs works all the same.
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:45 PM
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The best run play in football (and has been for a few years now) is power out of three wide receiver sets. You can combine schemes and spread the field while still running the most basic, backbone play of the pro style offense. 3 wide, 1 tight, and singleback is my favorite, but 3 wide with two backs works all the same.

Hush you, if you don't play with 2 TEs and a FB you're a p**sy!!! BO said it and by god it's the truth!!!

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 6:40 PM
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Wait a minute.......I thought we were happy about this hiring?

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:52 PM
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You can still gain a schematic advantage in the pro-style offense. Mgoblog has a nice post up regarding Bama/OU and how Bama's offense used their base play (inside zone) with their counters and counters-to-counters all throughout ONE game. Borges would show a look, and not come back with the counters until the next week, or multiple weeks down the road. Just adjusting and adapting the offense to what's working is where Nuss will make the most noticeable improvement. Single back, I-form, pistol and shotgun have all been in Nuss's playbook for quite some time.

Exactly.

Schematic advantage has zero to do with Spread vs. Pro-Style. Coaching in the NFL in most cases comes down to scheme, game planing, and adjusting. I`m not expecting Nuss to come in and radically change the offense, doing so won't automatically give Michigan a schematic advantage. There are plenty of spread teams that get out schemed and there are plenty of pro-style teams that get out schemed. You can out scheme just as easily out of the pro-style as you can the spread.

 
Disagree with scheme.  Everybody knows exactly what everybody is going to do in the NFL.  They all run the same offenses and same defenses.  The NFL is all about execution at the highest level and the best QB.  That's really all there is.  Which is why it sucks compared to college.  Scheme has little to do with it.  

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Friday, January 17, 2014 7:04 AM
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From a coaching standpoint it's all about scheme, game planning, and adjusting on the fly in the NFL. That's part of why GMatt left the Ravens. Sure the rookies and young guys need it, but good technique and fundamentals are expected as opposed to taught everyday.
 
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Friday, January 17, 2014 8:02 AM
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Hey 4life, how did Gmatts defenses rank among NFL teams during his ravens tenure? Just wondering.

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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Friday, January 17, 2014 9:28 AM
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Re:Offensive Coordinator Doug Nussmeier's Top 5 Problems - Friday, January 17, 2014 5:11 PM
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Cool thanx man!