Going for it on 4th down (strategy and time outs)

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jthorp24
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Going for it on 4th down (strategy and time outs) - Thursday, January 02, 2014 12:28 AM
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I like David Shaw, but he made a few bonehead offensive moves that reminded me of Al Borges/Michigan offense. 
 
I cannot stand when a team has a 4th and short (obviously they are going for it) and they get up to the line and stand. It allows the defense to set up and make audibles. Stanford had a 4th and short in the 1st half, technically they didn't go to the line, but they stood there and the clock run down, then called a TO. After the TO they ran a dumb HB sweep. It reminded me of Borges... I know I'm not the only one who has realized how pathetic our offensive play calling is after TO's. Everyone here knows I was critical of the 2 point call in the OSU game... a large part of that had to do with the lack of urgency, if you are going to make that call... get to the line and snap the damn ball. Don't allow the D to make adjustments. Urban waited until we motioned the WR to call a TO. Then surprise, surprise, we came out in the exact same formation/play.
 
Almost a rinse/repeat at the end of the game for Stanford. In that situation I agree with Stanford's TO. They showed a formation/play. MSU calls TO. Stanford runs the same formation/play.
 
I know I'm ranting. I just hate slowing the game down before a 4th down attempt (or a 2 pt attempt). You have a much better chance at converting either play without allowing the D to set up and/or creating confusion.
 
I need to watch our bowl game again (don't really want to), but even on normal downs I'm tired of DG getting to the line and just standing there. (Not a shot at DG, but Borges) We never/rarely call audibles or hot routes. We allow the D to make adjustments while making none of our own.  

 

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Re:Going for it on 4th down (strategy and time outs) - Thursday, January 02, 2014 8:32 AM
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I agree with you on 4th down, but you can't rush to the line on a 2-point play so I'm not sure I understand your point there.
 
Calling a play, lining up, going through a timeout, and coming out with the exact same set is one of the dumbest things you can do. Just giving yourself up.
"Character wins in life and character wins on the football field." — Michigan coach Brady Hoke. 

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Re:Going for it on 4th down (strategy and time outs) - Thursday, January 02, 2014 9:17 AM
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every situation is different. I coach football allbeit on the youth level but I am not a fan of rushing to do something. If I have TO's I would rather call one and set up the play I would like to run rather than rush to the line and snap. I have seen alot of times when teams rush they get a false start or they play never comes together. Now on the flip side if you know on third your going for it on 4th then different scenario.
 
As for coming out in the same formation sometimes you know your strength ALA Stanford run game and your telling the other team we are going to the bread and butter so stop it!!! Its 50/50 at that point and what football is all about man on man here I come so stop me!!
 
Again each situation is different I see you point and on the surface it makes sense just have to apply each situation to the events that are currently in play. Not too mention MMQbacking is easy!!!

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Re:Going for it on 4th down (strategy and time outs) - Thursday, January 02, 2014 9:32 AM
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Stanford had no sense of urgency, the macho play call was stupid as it didn't work before and msu sold the farm as the kid from Goodrich even said thank goodness they ran it! I certainly understand the machismo crap yet win the damn game don't have a pissing match about who has the biggest toy
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Re:Going for it on 4th down (strategy and time outs) - Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:54 PM
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With hindsight in hand......the Ohio game would've been the perfect time for his to come out in that goofy new fg scheme everybody comes out spread out than audibles into a traditional formation......except we don't audible we run a play. I don't think teams are ready for those schemes 100% yet IMO. Better than what we did anyways......Hoke holding his arrogant hand up 2. That's why we didn't get it, karma. Trying to be cocky and arrogant.