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Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:23 PM
 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:28 PM
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Sounds like a good location for some ncaa "random drug tests"..... just sayin.

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:46 PM
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lawsuit coming




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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:09 PM
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Iowa official says Iowa will learn from hospitalizations  
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14604106/iowa-official-says-iowa-will-learn-from-hospitalizations
 
Workouts described as "routine."
 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:10 PM
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Iowa official says Iowa will learn from hospitalizations  
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/14604106/iowa-official-says-iowa-will-learn-from-hospitalizations

Workouts described as "routine."

 
As far as the NCAA is concerned, they could probably care less unless another "practice-gate" is proven. As for these kids, I hope they're ok. The other thing they need to worry about is MRSA, a deadly staph infection, which can be develop as a result of other infections, especially in hospitals. It seems rampant nowadays.

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:37 PM
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MRSA is becoming the norm unfortunately, bunch of winey baby adults scream for antibiotics for their flu symptoms and other viral ailments. So thank all those people for that!

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:29 PM
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Rumor has it this was after a workout where the players are required to do 100 squats. Ouch.

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 1:30 AM
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read an update on players this morning... reporter had spoken to one of the players relatives (didn't specify whom) they said all players remain in the hospital and that the players whose relative they talked to questioned whether he would return to iowa next season. this is a very serious situation and i hope that all the players reach a full recovery quickly and don't suffer any long term effects!

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 8:54 AM
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If it was one player it is a accident but 13 is not an accident something is going on there and it is not routine.
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 11:01 AM
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Funny how things like this go on without the NCAA so much as inquiring about it, but yet we fail to file a few papers and misinterprety the rules regarding stretching as countable practice hours and the NCAA launches a full blown investigation?!  Yeah, the NCAA sure has their priorities stratigh when it comes to looking after the health and well-being of their student athletes...

 

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 11:41 AM
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Funny how things like this go on without the NCAA so much as inquiring about it, but yet we fail to file a few papers and misinterprety the rules regarding stretching as countable practice hours and the NCAA launches a full blown investigation?!  Yeah, the NCAA sure has their priorities stratigh when it comes to looking after the health and well-being of their student athletes...

 
Why isn't the Detroit media all over Ferentz for endagering his players health the way they were all over RR for endagering his players during practice-gate?

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 1:30 PM
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+1,000 for Matty!!!! Unreal, huh?

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 5:05 PM
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Funny how things like this go on without the NCAA so much as inquiring about it, but yet we fail to file a few papers and misinterprety the rules regarding stretching as countable practice hours and the NCAA launches a full blown investigation?!  Yeah, the NCAA sure has their priorities stratigh when it comes to looking after the health and well-being of their student athletes...


Why isn't the Detroit media all over Ferentz for endagering his players health the way they were all over RR for endagering his players during practice-gate?

Because it's the Detroit media. They don't cover Iowa. 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Friday, January 28, 2011 9:12 PM
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Funny how things like this go on without the NCAA so much as inquiring about it, but yet we fail to file a few papers and misinterprety the rules regarding stretching as countable practice hours and the NCAA launches a full blown investigation?!  Yeah, the NCAA sure has their priorities stratigh when it comes to looking after the health and well-being of their student athletes...

 
Oh come on Matty, we all know that if they sell their bed pans that would be much worse.. ;)

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:58 AM
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Funny how things like this go on without the NCAA so much as inquiring about it, but yet we fail to file a few papers and misinterprety the rules regarding stretching as countable practice hours and the NCAA launches a full blown investigation?!  Yeah, the NCAA sure has their priorities stratigh when it comes to looking after the health and well-being of their student athletes...


Oh come on Matty, we all know that if they sell their bed pans that would be much worse.. ;)

 
LOL!  Good one Buckeye!

 

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Monday, January 31, 2011 10:59 AM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6069090
 


“Even if Ferentz is absolved of any responsibility in this matter, his absence and silence during a troubling week at Iowa should tell recruits and their families plenty about how much he cares for his players,” Forde wrote.

 
Scalding article....
 


Fortunately for everyone involved in the Iowa situation, the injuries do not appear to be immediately life-threatening -- yet the players have been in the hospital all week. And consistently positive reports about their conditions might be misleading, according to the family member I spoke with.
 
"Some of these guys are in really bad shape," he said Thursday, relating stories of poor kidney function, significant weight gain, extremely abnormal test levels and players in lingering pain.
 
"This seems like it was clearly a punitive-type workout after a disappointing season," the family member said, adding that some of the players kept pushing themselves to avoid being labeled a quitter or soft.
 
A family member of one player, who requested anonymity for fear of reprisal by the coaches against his relative, said Iowa's strength coaches not only put the players through physical hell embarking upon their winter conditioning regimen, they all but dared them to quit.
 
"Who really wants to be here and who doesn't," was a phrase used, according to the family member's conversations with his relative.
 
"Who's tough and who's not," was another.

 
As the article says, football has always teetered that fine line of crazy and pushing players to the next level.
 


In various media reports, outside doctors, former Iowa players and others in the strength and conditioning field have raised the question of whether the afflicted Hawkeyes in any way brought this ailment upon themselves. Speculation has centered on what the players might have done Saturday or Sunday that led to the mass hospitalization on Monday.
 
Among the theories that have been suggested: a weekend of partying that could exacerbate dehydration and kidney issues; ingestion of a supplement; or additional exercise such as pickup basketball games.
 
The players tested negative this week for illegal drugs, according to the family member I spoke to. If drinking over the weekend was a contributing factor, my response is this: Like it or not, that's normal college behavior. If it lands you in the hospital, then the workouts that preceded the drinking were abnormal.
 
One former player suggested to The Sporting News that the current Hawkeyes might have chosen partying over "recovering and resting like they should have been doing." If workouts in January necessitate a weekend of lying on the couch to recover, something is out of whack. Football players are expected to be exceptionally devoted to their sport, but does that really have to include inhibiting their free time in late January to recover from a workout?

 
I played college football in the 90s before facebook and twitter and cell phone pictures and social media (lord knows the coaches would have NEVER been able to get away with that stuff today).  Football is a tough ass game that requires you getting your ass kicked day in and day out.  Mentally and physically.  Like I said earlier, I know the coaches crossed the line many times, but NEVER, NEVER did we think to complain to our parents (hell, my dad would have called me a p*ssy and told me to suck it up AND I WAS A QB ).  Guys got sick, guys threw up, guys were dehydrated, guys partied on the weekends and got lit up like xmas trees, but we no one ever was hospitalized.  That's where this story is so strange.  I can't remember a time when this many players from ONE team were hospitalized after a workout.  It had to be a combination of lots of things and I don't know who to blame.  I, for one, am VERY curious to know what they were doing in the workouts for them to be so tough.  Also, Ferentz is expected to speak out this situation on Wednesday during signing day.
 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Monday, January 31, 2011 12:09 PM
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I too played football in the 90's (nothing after HS). You took the job as QB back then as knowing you were going to get your head taken off at every opprotunity, and you were also going to get hit unmercifully hard. Now a days, its, all, "ohh,  dont hit the qb like that, dont slam him into the ground, dont tackle him if he slides".......I say, if you play qb, expect all of the above! Thats why nobody wanted to play qb back when I was playing.  (including myself)....I know this is off topic, but last post struck a nerve about football and toughness..
 
But to punish kids by causing permanent kidney damage, is not cool. I dont care how much they drank the night before. This could take 10-20yrs off the kids life expectency, and god forbid if any of the kids need dialysis after this mess. My thoughts and prayers to all the kids in the hospital, that DID NOTHING TO DESERVE THIS!

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Monday, January 31, 2011 1:29 PM
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I've been involved in multiple workouts where guys got dehydrated and had to go to the hospital, I've never seen anything close to 13 players requiring a trip to the hospital. I've never heard of kidney's shutting down or week long stays in the hospital. Iowa can spend their "routine workout" line all they want to, I`m calling BS.
 
Routine workouts don't send 13 guys to the hospital for a week. 
 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Monday, January 31, 2011 1:51 PM
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I've been involved in multiple workouts where guys got dehydrated and had to go to the hospital, I've never seen anything close to 13 players requiring a trip to the hospital. I've never heard of kidney's shutting down or week long stays in the hospital. Iowa can spend their "routine workout" line all they want to, I`m calling BS.

Routine workouts don't send 13 guys to the hospital for a week. 

Agreed!  And to add to it, Iowa trying to further spin this by placing blame on the athletes in the hospital saying they were out drinking and partying which led to their kidneys shutting down is complete BS as well.  We're talking about college kids here.  Partying is a way of life for most in college whether you are an athlete or not.  I can't remember how many times I went to morning swim practice still drunk from heavy partying the night before.  I never had to go to the hopsital for kidney failure...

 

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Monday, January 31, 2011 7:02 PM
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“Even if Ferentz is absolved of any responsibility in this matter, his absence and silence during a troubling week at Iowa should tell recruits and their families plenty about how much he cares for his players,” Forde wrote.


This may or may not be true. 
 
Fox sports said:
 
" Ferentz called his players from the road and was due back on campus Thursday (Jan. 27) night to visit with them personally."
 

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Monday, January 31, 2011 11:21 PM
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You won't find many coaches with a better reputation than Ferentz among his peers and among his fans. He has been both wildly successful and wildly popular in Iowa City, compiling an 89-60 record at a school that shouldn't be able to win consistently at the highest level. The reward has been a contract extended last year through 2020 and paying him well in excess of $3 million a year.
 
Yet when it was time to face the public Wednesday at a news conference to explain what happened to 13 of his players, Ferentz was a no-show. So was Barta. Instead, Iowa pathetically trotted out its director of football operations, Paul Federici, a guy certainly not paid to be the face of the program in times of crisis.
 
That's leadership, all right. That's compassion. That's accountability.
 
Even if Ferentz is absolved of any responsibility in this matter, his absence and silence during a troubling week at Iowa should tell recruits and their families plenty about how much he cares for his players.

 
Normally, I don't agree with Forde, however, but he's dead balls on here.
 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:19 AM
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Tiger Woods sleeps with 1 women, Okay its just an affair...Sleeps with 13, its a public tragedy. (although it probably would have been big news regardless)
I don't know why this isn't being taken more seriously, these are "KIDS" with "KIDNEY" problems, this should be looked over with a fine-toothed comb. If this would have happened in AA or Columbus, or any SEC school this thing would be all over the place

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:45 AM
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 Even if Ferentz is absolved of any responsibility in this matter, his absence and silence during a troubling week at Iowa should tell recruits and their families plenty about how much he cares for his players.

 
What Forde is saying is fine and dandy and I'm sure that from just looking at what he can see that it may appear this way. Maybe Ferentz should have done the press conference. I had a friend that played for Iowa, recently, who had a bunch of concussions and a back injury that ended his career early. Ferentz stayed in consistent contact with the player during all that as well as after the situation "ended" with his graduation. I just struggle to believe that something this big would happen and all of a sudden Ferentz is going to change how he handles his players. Most evidence of Ferentz's past points him to caring about his players, I'll take that over this particular instance where we don't know what's happening behind the scenes.

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 7:41 PM
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http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020211aaf.html
 


"First and foremost, our focus was on the health and well-being and privacy of our players," Ferentz said. "They are all progressing well and moving forward."
 
Ferentz said that the workout in question will not be repeated.
 
"We can't run the risk again and we won't," Ferentz said. "Our workouts are challenging by design, our workouts are safe by design."

Calling football "a tough sport for tough people," Ferentz said that the Hawkeyes will continue to work hard in the off-season, but they will also "work as smart as we can."

 
A couple quotes from Ferentz regarding the workouts.  Says they won't be repeating them.
 
Here is the complete transcript from today:
 
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/iowa/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/Ferentzpresser202011.pdf
 
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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:51 PM
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I bet there are some young rabid lawyers licking their chops in Iowa.......

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:46 AM
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http://sports.espn.go.com.cf/news/story?id=6298161

The story continues. One player has asked for his release and says he's still not ready to play even though he's cleared. Other players are still experiencing problems and are not at full speed even though all 13 players are cleared to play.

I was in Iowa this past weekend visiting the outlaws with my wife and they kept saying how the entire situation was blown out of proportion. The players hadn't worked out since the bowl game and were out of shape so that's why kids got sick and could not complete the workout. I laughed and said I could understand that argument if one or two kids got sick, but not 13. I wasn't buying what he was selling.

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:12 PM
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I bet the Iowa team is happy for the OSU drama unfolding. Deflecting all kinds of attention away from their pyramid scheme.

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:13 PM
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http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=10588363



IOWA CITY, Iowa -- One of 13 University of Iowa football players who were hospitalized after a high-intensity workout three years ago says his injuries were preventable but caused lasting harm, outlining his claims in the first lawsuit to stem from the incident.

Former Hawkeyes cornerback William Lowe, of Cleveland, alleges in a lawsuit filed Monday in Johnson County district court that coaches and trainers failed to properly supervise him during the Jan. 20, 2011, workout. He also says the school failed to offer medical care after he and others initially reported severe pain and symptoms, and that his injuries were aggravated because he was required to participate in additional workouts in the following days.

Lowe contends that the team was negligent in "developing and implementing a dangerous improper training program" and should have to pay unspecified damages for his pain and suffering.

Spokesmen for the athletics department and the university declined to comment about the lawsuit Tuesday.

Lowe and 12 others were hospitalized following the workout at the start of winter training. They were diagnosed with exertional rhabdomyolysis, the result of muscles breaking down and releasing proteins into the bloodstream, which can cause kidney failure.


Here we go...

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Re:Iowa works its players until they have kidney problems - Tuesday, March 11, 2014 5:29 PM
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Good! Kid should've at least been seen by a physician after his initial complaints. Could've ended up on dialysis at the age of 20 or however old he is. Which pretty much guarantees a shortened life span of 30-40 years easily.

School is 100% responsible for kids well being during practices. Who knows how many of those kids u have heard about dropping dead from a spontaneous cardiac event, that may have had legitimate symptoms and complained, only to deaf ears.

Time to wake up and pay attention, especially when kids complain of being Ill during workouts, period.

I've unfortunately witnessed a young kid losing his life in a heat related event down here, so pardon me if I come off a bit touchy. I'm just an advocate at heart. (No pun intended)