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fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:39 PM (permalink)
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yea i said it, enough is enough.



 
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    Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:41 PM (permalink)
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    Go away. 
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      Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:42 PM (permalink)
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      I've seen enough.  Can't fire him this season but this needs to be his last.  He's clueless.

       
       
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        Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:43 PM (permalink)
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        I've seen enough.  Can't fire him this season but this needs to be his last.  He's clueless.

         
        I'll take that bet all day long. Borges isn't going to be fired. End of discussion. Get over it. 
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          Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:45 PM (permalink)
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          I've seen enough.  Can't fire him this season but this needs to be his last.  He's clueless.


          I'll take that bet all day long. Borges isn't going to be fired. End of discussion. Get over it. 


          You embrace the Mediocre Man so I get it.  LLLlloyd and Al-your heroes.  Have at it.

           
           
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            Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:48 PM (permalink)
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            He isn't used to coaching with players that are made for the spread offense.  I'll give him a season or two after this to get it right.  It takes time to get the personnel that he needs.  Are there points in the game in which he could have made better coaching decisions?  Yes.  But he is still needs time to grow players that he plays a role in recruiting so he can make the offense exactly how he wants it.
             
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              Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:56 PM (permalink)
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              Short of looking completely clueless you can't fire an OC until he's had a chance to coach his own kids IMO.
               
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                Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 3:57 PM (permalink)
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                He isn't used to coaching with players that are made for the spread offense.  I'll give him a season or two after this to get it right.  It takes time to get the personnel that he needs.  Are there points in the game in which he could have made better coaching decisions?  Yes.  But he is still needs time to grow players that he plays a role in recruiting so he can make the offense exactly how he wants it.

                People can't have it both ways. The people defending Borges are the same people who blasted RR for what happened in his 1st season. Borges is clearly the weak link on the coaching staff. He has no understanding of what his players are capable of, has no continuity in playcalling i.e his plays have no flow together, and he seems to have no clue what what opposing defenses are doing to playcall away from that.
                <message edited by Maize927 on Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:11 PM>
                 
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                  Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:11 PM (permalink)
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                  Look I believe that its not really fair to make a final judgement about a coach without him coaching the kids he picked and developed. There are some issues that appear to be systemic though. No having continuity within the playcalling appears to simply be Al Borges philosophy, not something that is necessarily the result of not having pro-style personnel. That is something that is likely going to continue long after Denard and the rest are gone.
                   
                  Not putting guys in the best position to succeed and not playing to your own strengths and the weaknesses of the opposition are my two biggest complaints where Borges is concerned. Those are also things that have nothing to do with the personnel on hand. That's something that again may not change 3-4 years down the road once the personnel has changed.
                   
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                    Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:12 PM (permalink)
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                    He's the best defense vs Denard

                     
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                      Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:16 PM (permalink)
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                      Been a really long time since I posted, but this situation with Borges is a lot more complicated than people think.  It's an easy crutch to blame the offensive coordinator when you lose the game.  There are certain calls he makes that I disagree with, but as a whole I really like what he is doing with the offense.  It's creative and has a good balance of pass/run.  
                       
                      First if you are going to complain this week, you better have been complaining last week when Fitz ran for 170 yards.  It's completely unfair to bash based on results, it's the philosophy that you have to have an issue with.  
                       
                      Second, when they went shotgun, fast paced, and ran Robinson into the ground last year he barely ever finished a game.  They have no chance without Robinson, Gardner isn't even close to being ready.  I still like the package with Gardner at QB, I think stuff like that helps with recruiting and is good long term.  
                       
                      I think Spielman and Pasch are terrible on college football, but one thing Spielman is right about Robinson needs to scramble more.  Go back and watch the 2 plays on the final drive where they rolled Robinson out and he has to throw across his body (one of them was him missing Roundtree) if Robinson tucks it and runs back the other way the entire side of the field was open.  My gut feeling is Robinson isn't 100% healthy and that is before getting dinged up today.  They were calling way more run plays for him before the last 2 weeks.  Something is up and cause its college they don't have to say anything.  
                       
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                        Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:26 PM (permalink)
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                        Been a really long time since I posted, but this situation with Borges is a lot more complicated than people think.  It's an easy crutch to blame the offensive coordinator when you lose the game.  There are certain calls he makes that I disagree with, but as a whole I really like what he is doing with the offense.  It's creative and has a good balance of pass/run.  

                        First if you are going to complain this week, you better have been complaining last week when Fitz ran for 170 yards.  It's completely unfair to bash based on results, it's the philosophy that you have to have an issue with.  

                        Second, when they went shotgun, fast paced, and ran Robinson into the ground last year he barely ever finished a game.  They have no chance without Robinson, Gardner isn't even close to being ready.  I still like the package with Gardner at QB, I think stuff like that helps with recruiting and is good long term.  

                        I think Spielman and Pasch are terrible on college football, but one thing Spielman is right about Robinson needs to scramble more.  Go back and watch the 2 plays on the final drive where they rolled Robinson out and he has to throw across his body (one of them was him missing Roundtree) if Robinson tucks it and runs back the other way the entire side of the field was open.  My gut feeling is Robinson isn't 100% healthy and that is before getting dinged up today.  They were calling way more run plays for him before the last 2 weeks.  Something is up and cause its college they don't have to say anything.  


                        I don't consider Purdue a huge conquest for an OC.  Borges gave the same speech Rodriguez did-we'll adjust our system to our personnel.  Rodriguez didn't his first year and neither has Borges.  The fact is, Rodriguez couldn't beat the better teams in the Big Ten and so far, neither can Borges/Hoke.  Everything we do for the next 5 years hinges upon Greg Mattison.  That much is obvious.

                         
                         
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                          Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:31 PM (permalink)
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                          Been a really long time since I posted, but this situation with Borges is a lot more complicated than people think.  It's an easy crutch to blame the offensive coordinator when you lose the game.  There are certain calls he makes that I disagree with, but as a whole I really like what he is doing with the offense.  It's creative and has a good balance of pass/run.  

                          First if you are going to complain this week, you better have been complaining last week when Fitz ran for 170 yards.  It's completely unfair to bash based on results, it's the philosophy that you have to have an issue with.  

                          College football is fluid. Just because he deserves some praise last week does not mean he should be exempt from criticism the following week.
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                          Second, when they went shotgun, fast paced, and ran Robinson into the ground last year he barely ever finished a game.  They have no chance without Robinson, Gardner isn't even close to being ready.  I still like the package with Gardner at QB, I think stuff like that helps with recruiting and is good long term.  

                          You do what it takes to win the game you are playing. If that means running DRob 30 times in a game you do it. If you spare Denard so he can play another game you are now risking losing 2 games. 
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                          I think Spielman and Pasch are terrible on college football, but one thing Spielman is right about Robinson needs to scramble more.  Go back and watch the 2 plays on the final drive where they rolled Robinson out and he has to throw across his body (one of them was him missing Roundtree) if Robinson tucks it and runs back the other way the entire side of the field was open.  My gut feeling is Robinson isn't 100% healthy and that is before getting dinged up today.  They were calling way more run plays for him before the last 2 weeks.  Something is up and cause its college they don't have to say anything.  

                          While generally I am not a fan of them calling the games, there was not much they said I disagreed with this week. DRob should be the QB. They said a stat that I think says it all. When DG was QB we were averaging 2 yards per play, the play before DG came on the field we were averaging 14 yards per play.
                           
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                            Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:31 PM (permalink)
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                            Not happy with his last few games, what happens when 16 is back next year?
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                              Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 4:43 PM (permalink)
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                              Not happy with his last few games, what happens when 16 is back next year?


                              We'll be lucky to go 7-5 next year. 8-4 if we can somehow pull off a ND road win. 6-6 is also in the realm of possibility.
                               
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                                Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 5:02 PM (permalink)
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                                It's hard to have a great scheme when you have an extremely sub par passer. 

                                 
                                 
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                                  Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 5:02 PM (permalink)
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                                  just bring back the Coaching Speculation subforum Phil.



                                   
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                                    Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 5:06 PM (permalink)
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                                    just bring back the Coaching Speculation subforum Phil.

                                    You will be the only one speculating? 

                                     
                                     
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                                      Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 5:10 PM (permalink)
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                                      Been a really long time since I posted, but this situation with Borges is a lot more complicated than people think.  It's an easy crutch to blame the offensive coordinator when you lose the game.  There are certain calls he makes that I disagree with, but as a whole I really like what he is doing with the offense.  It's creative and has a good balance of pass/run.  

                                      First if you are going to complain this week, you better have been complaining last week when Fitz ran for 170 yards.  It's completely unfair to bash based on results, it's the philosophy that you have to have an issue with.  

                                      Second, when they went shotgun, fast paced, and ran Robinson into the ground last year he barely ever finished a game.  They have no chance without Robinson, Gardner isn't even close to being ready.  I still like the package with Gardner at QB, I think stuff like that helps with recruiting and is good long term.  

                                      I think Spielman and Pasch are terrible on college football, but one thing Spielman is right about Robinson needs to scramble more.  Go back and watch the 2 plays on the final drive where they rolled Robinson out and he has to throw across his body (one of them was him missing Roundtree) if Robinson tucks it and runs back the other way the entire side of the field was open.  My gut feeling is Robinson isn't 100% healthy and that is before getting dinged up today.  They were calling way more run plays for him before the last 2 weeks.  Something is up and cause its college they don't have to say anything.  

                                      Last weeks game was a mix bag as far as the coordination of the offense goes. Many of the same issues from this game existed last game only it didn't matter because of the opponent, playing at home, etc.
                                       
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                                        Re:fire Al Borges Saturday, November 05, 2011 5:11 PM (permalink)
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                                        It's hard to have a great scheme when you have an extremely sub par passer. 

                                        It's hard to have a great passer when you have an extremely sub par game plan
                                         
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