Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.)

Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.)

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:48 AM (permalink)
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Nonsense? Riiiiiiiiiiight. 

If you can't see the house of cards RR left here through poor recruiting then I can't help you. We are STILL paying for his complete negligence of both lines. 

Like Scottsdale said, 2014 is put up time for Hoke. 

You don't need to hide behind Scottsdale's apron strings.  You're a big boy now, so explain to me how you have twisted logic to such an extent in your mind that 7-5 with more of Hoke's own players is better than 11-2 with someone else's.  This year shoulda been HUUUUGE with UM's almost-tOSU-like cake schedule yet the staff managed to squeeze a little less juice out of the fruit for the second straight year, but by all reports think things are hunky dory and headed in the right direction (based on god only knows what criteria).
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:50 AM (permalink)
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SDB - I bet Brady gets a 5th year regardless of what happens next season. Take it to the bank.


I know, that's what scares me...

In my eyes, he needs to earn the 5th year by what happens in 2014. If come November, we are not playing for the chance to be in the B10 title game, Hoke should not get a 5th year; however, this is DB's guy so you might be right.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:51 AM (permalink)
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WELL hated for either team to win but gotta give msu's coaching staff major props. my gawd they were a questionable pass interefernce call from being 13-0. with no love from either poll. in our 4 other losses were by 11 points total the only ass kicking we got was from douchtonio/narduzzi's bunch sumbitch I wish our staff had whatever msu's staff has to coach them up....
"Every time I come to Michigan all they want to do is Screw me, Screw me Screw me"! Wayne Hayes AKA the devil.
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:55 AM (permalink)
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...my gawd they were a questionable pass interefernce call from being 13-0...


Their offense in that game was nowhere near the offense they have now.
Good luck RR! Go Hoke! Go Blue!
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:55 AM (permalink)
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Actually, Michigan should--and probably does--have more talent on both sides of the ball than Sparty (how can they not w/ all the program and a UM education should deliver?), but absolutely ZERO clue how to develop that talent.


M$U was garbage at the start of the year...that offense blew d*ck, they scored like 1 offensive TD in their 1st four games. However, look at how much they improved all season....getting stronger and stronger each week it seemed like, all coming to a head tonight. That concept is very foreign to our coaches.

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:27 AM (permalink)
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BigHouseFootball

Nonsense? Riiiiiiiiiiight. 

If you can't see the house of cards RR left here through poor recruiting then I can't help you. We are STILL paying for his complete negligence of both lines. 

Like Scottsdale said, 2014 is put up time for Hoke. 

You don't need to hide behind Scottsdale's apron strings.  You're a big boy now, so explain to me how you have twisted logic to such an extent in your mind that 7-5 with more of Hoke's own players is better than 11-2 with someone else's.  This year shoulda been HUUUUGE with UM's almost-tOSU-like cake schedule yet the staff managed to squeeze a little less juice out of the fruit for the second straight year, but by all reports think things are hunky dory and headed in the right direction (based on god only knows what criteria).

 
Learn to read. I never said 7-5 was better than 11-2. Take a look at what was left after that year-a whole lot of nothing. The depth on the lines was nonexistent, and Hoke immediately started building that up through recruiting, but there is a reason why freshmen don't play as offensive linemen. We are finally at a position where we have depth on the lines. This year we were young where you can't afford to be and it showed. 
 
Does Borges have to call better games-yes. Every game needs to be called like he did the Ohio game. The defense also needs to tighten up. I've been saying all year that Hoke was safe for 2014, and I was right. And no matter how much you whine, or cry, or stomp your feet doesn't change the fact that Hoke is the coach for 2014 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:28 AM (permalink)
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But wait! How did Ohio lose? URBAN WORE A HEADSET FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD!!!! 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 5:55 AM (permalink)
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Little brother! I live in Hilliard Ohio and have hated every second of it!
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:43 AM (permalink)
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Give me a break, we go into year 4 with all of 10 players on the roster who were recruited by Rich Rod. He's a convenient scapegoat for a segment of the fan base that refuses to acknowledge what is readily apparent. Despite all the rah rah, platitudes, and clichés from Home. Despite the recruiting "wins", this team is no better off today than it was the day Rich Rod was fired. We're no better off going into year 4 than we were at the end of year 1. We've simply reversed the side of the ball that sucks. We have as incompetent a OC as we had DCs under Rich Rod. Our offensive line is in as bad a shape as our defensive line was under Rich Rod.

We're left clinging to the hope that things will simply get better on their own without any changes. That time will somehow undo incompetence. Sorry, but if you've paid attention to the player progression, or lack thereof, over the last 3yrs, you can see where this is going.

I asked this question in the middle of the season and heard crickets, I suspect I'll hear them again. What unit on this football team is significantly better today in year three than it was in year 1? In what areas are we better going into year 4 (passing, rushing, blocking, run defense, pass rush, pass coverage) than we were at the end of year 1?

Where is there progress?
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 7:31 AM (permalink)
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Those who love mediocrity will stay....  Or something like that.
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 9:53 AM (permalink)
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Congrats to Sparty. They are the team we used to be and want to be. I used to have my maize and blue glasses on and thought it was just a matter of time when we would be back dominating them. Watching how well they are coached, play tough (yes, occasionally over the top) and how they develop players, MSU ain't going away anytime too soon. It was scary how easily I started cheering for them last night, first because they were beating osu and, second because they just played a great game of the type of "manball" we could only dream of at this point. Sad but true.
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:14 AM (permalink)
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It's not fair to judge Hoke until his recruits become his players, and that takes a few years. We are at that point now and fans will either find Hoke’s coaching style charming or cheesy, depending on one just thing: the number of games he wins and right now, Hoke isn't winning enough.

Bo used to say: every day, you get better, or you get worse. If the we get better, the wins will take care of themselves over time, and all will be right. If they don’t, no one can save them, and the future will be someone else’s to face.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:22 AM (permalink)
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Give me a break, we go into year 4 with all of 10 players on the roster who were recruited by Rich Rod. He's a convenient scapegoat for a segment of the fan base that refuses to acknowledge what is readily apparent. Despite all the rah rah, platitudes, and clichés from Home. Despite the recruiting "wins", this team is no better off today than it was the day Rich Rod was fired. We're no better off going into year 4 than we were at the end of year 1. We've simply reversed the side of the ball that sucks. We have as incompetent a OC as we had DCs under Rich Rod. Our offensive line is in as bad a shape as our defensive line was under Rich Rod.

We're left clinging to the hope that things will simply get better on their own without any changes. That time will somehow undo incompetence. Sorry, but if you've paid attention to the player progression, or lack thereof, over the last 3yrs, you can see where this is going.

I asked this question in the middle of the season and heard crickets, I suspect I'll hear them again. What unit on this football team is significantly better today in year three than it was in year 1? In what areas are we better going into year 4 (passing, rushing, blocking, run defense, pass rush, pass coverage) than we were at the end of year 1?

Where is there progress?


It's hard to find individual progress (Desmond Morgan?); I'm sure there are a couple others but that's a sad state of affairs...the only silver lining is we have more depth along the lines and in other positions so the roster is more talented and balanced. How the coaches turn that talent and depth and balance into REAL ON FIELD PRODUCTION is the MILLION DOLLAR question and we have yet to see it the last 2 seasons.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:01 AM (permalink)
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It's not fair to judge Hoke until his recruits become his players, and that takes a few years. We are at that point now and fans will either find Hoke’s coaching style charming or cheesy, depending on one just thing: the number of games he wins and right now, Hoke isn't winning enough.

Bo used to say: every day, you get better, or you get worse. If the we get better, the wins will take care of themselves over time, and all will be right. If they don’t, no one can save them, and the future will be someone else’s to face.

Go Blue!!

 
Sure it is fair to judge Hoke.  Urban Meyer has gone 24-1 over the last two years with most of Tressel's recruits.  Hoke isn't given a pass for losing because it clearly shows there is a challenge in developing the current roster.  What does getting his own recruits in guarantee a win if they aren't developed?  
 
Hoke's excuses of youth and "we have to get better" are lame.  Time to put up or leave town.  I have some boxes in my attic.
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:23 AM (permalink)
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It's not fair to judge Hoke until his recruits become his players, and that takes a few years. We are at that point now and fans will either find Hoke’s coaching style charming or cheesy, depending on one just thing: the number of games he wins and right now, Hoke isn't winning enough.

Bo used to say: every day, you get better, or you get worse. If the we get better, the wins will take care of themselves over time, and all will be right. If they don’t, no one can save them, and the future will be someone else’s to face.

Go Blue!!


Sure it is fair to judge Hoke.  Urban Meyer has gone 24-1 over the last two years with most of Tressel's recruits.  Hoke isn't given a pass for losing because it clearly shows there is a challenge in developing the current roster.  What does getting his own recruits in guarantee a win if they aren't developed?  

Hoke's excuses of youth and "we have to get better" are lame.  Time to put up or leave town.  I have some boxes in my attic.


As said last night, what does Meyer have to show for it? O$U won 24 straight with no bowl win, no B10 title and no national title so who gives a sh*t.

I'm not giving Hoke a pass. I just said it's time now. He has everything he wants in place so there are no more excuses. The time is now. We need to see results. He has 2014 to show us, whether we like it or not, that's the reality of the situation.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:31 AM (permalink)
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This notion that "we'd better see X next year" and "we'd better see Y next year" is laughable.  I don't know how much proof people need but apparently it's a lot.  Watching MSU last night pretty much clinched it for me.  They had guys on that field making plays all over the place and not a 5 star recruit anywhere to be found.  Dennard-2 star; Allen-3 star; Langford-3 star; Drummond-3 star; Calhoun-3 star; Lippett-3 star and the list goes on and on.  So this idea of we're young and we need to let Hoke get his recruits in place is just another big Michigan Excuse.  We've watched 3 years of this and nobody can legitimately show me ONE player that has improved and if you can, I'll show you 2 that have regressed.  The guys on Mad Dog Radio said it best.  Simple, but true: How Brady Hoke is coaching at Michigan to begin with is beyond comprehension and how Al Borges still has a job is absolutely stunning. At the end of the day, MSU plays big boy football while we just keep waiting 'til next year while embracing and remaining loyal to mediocrity. 

 
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:34 AM (permalink)
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As said last night, what does Meyer have to show for it? O$U won 24 straight with no bowl win, no B10 title and no national title so who gives a sh*t.

This sounds great and all, but let's be serious.  If UM goes 24-1 in Hoke's first two years, regardless of bowl and conference wins (which tOSU can still roll in a decent game on 1/1/14), this site probably goes offline several thousand times due to a perpetual 24-month stroke session for the team, program, Hoke, Brandon, etc.  Hell, you have people on this site thinking about the future brightly b/c the team managed to lose to its biggest rival by only a point after basically failing to show up for every minute of regulation time in November.
 
Ours is a 7-5 team.  I'd gladly trade the Sugar Bowl they were lucky to win and their 26-12 record in 3 years for 24-1 over two and so would almost everyone on this site.
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:38 AM (permalink)
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Gee, let me think here.  24-1 or suck like Michigan?  Hmm..I think I'll take suck like Michigan.   Ohio has nothing to hang their heads about and we certainly have nothing to be crowing over.  I was loving it last night and laughing at Meyer every time they showed him looking like he was going to puke but then I woke up and realized I have nothing to jump up and down about.

 
 
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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:41 AM (permalink)
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This notion that "we'd better see X next year" and "we'd better see Y next year" is laughable.  I don't know how much proof people need but apparently it's a lot.  Watching MSU last night pretty much clinched it for me.  They had guys on that field making plays all over the place and not a 5 star recruit anywhere to be found.  Dennard-2 star; Allen-3 star; Langford-3 star; Drummond-3 star; Calhoun-3 star; Lippett-3 star and the list goes on and on.  So this idea of we're young and we need to let Hoke get his recruits in place is just another big Michigan Excuse.  We've watched 3 years of this and nobody can legitimately show me ONE player that has improved and if you can, I'll show you 2 that have regressed.  The guys on Mad Dog Radio said it best.  Simple, but true: How Brady Hoke is coaching at Michigan to begin with is beyond comprehension and how Al Borges still has a job is absolutely stunning. At the end of the day, MSU plays big boy football while we just keep waiting 'til next year while embracing and remaining loyal to mediocrity. 


But what about recruiting...we can't dare mess with our future classes; surely that's a reason to keep Hoke around...haha

Go Blue!!

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Re:Who you rooting for? (If you had to choose.) Sunday, December 08, 2013 11:55 AM (permalink)
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Brandon, Hoke, Borges Mattison should all feel disgraced by their coaching performances to date....I just don't think anyone has the balls to do anything about it...

Go Blue!!

Ohio St.'s actions are not unlike their lower intestine: stinky and loaded with danger.

 
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