This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we?

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This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:33 PM (permalink)
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Objectively with a touch of subjection...... Im trying to make the point of how our record makes us look better than we really are. Its kinda along the same line as a football game score of lets just say 35-14. You make look at that and say, "hey it was competitive for a while at least"......What it doesnt show is how it was 35-0 by the 3rd qtr and we only scored due to a complete defensive philosophical change into a prevent defense. So with that in mind, lets look back, shall we?
 
7-6 right?
 
Lets start with the schedule:
Aug. 31 Central Michigan W 59-9   Sep. 7 Notre Dame W 41-30 Notre Dame and CMU are both solid wins imo.
Sep. 14 Akron W 28-24      VERY LUCKY TO HAVE A WIN against both Akron and Uconn. (sad right?)
Minny, was a good win.
PSU is what Akron and Uconn shouldve been.
Indiana is a win, but ugly.
Moo u, dominated us again.
NW, another VERY LUCKY WIN, right up there with Uconn and Akron.
Iowa, a loss is a loss, I guess.
Ohio, best game played all season, but a loss.
KSU, a Joke of a game and loss
Sep. 21 at Connecticut W 24-21   Oct. 5 Minnesota W 42-13   Oct. 12 at Penn State L 40-43   Oct. 19 Indiana W 63-47   Nov. 2 at Michigan State L 6-29   Nov. 9 Nebraska L 13-17   Nov. 16 at Northwestern W 27-19   Nov. 23 at Iowa L 21-24   Nov. 30 Ohio State L 41-42   Dec. 28 at Kansas State L 14-31  
 
There are 3 games, that came down to an absolute Miracle to win, and had ZERO to do with our "coaches" overcoming odds by ANY measure imo.
 
4-8 was a REAL possibility this season, of course, leaving us non bow eligible for our 9th loss....
 
Let that 4-8 number really stick in your brain, because its 100% LUCK that we arent!
 
That K state game solidified in me 100% that we are in the wrong direction. If hoke cant cut ties and try to change something, im completely off board his bandwagon. He is in RR situation as far as I am concerned, and dont expect a single pass from me from now on, he will be called out for EVERY single lapse, whether Al or Gmatt is to blame. This is all on him now.
 
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:35 PM (permalink)
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I guess my point was, were a 4-8 caliber team, that was fortunate to go 7-6.
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:39 PM (permalink)
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Yeah but there's probably 4 games we could have and should have won too so it cuts both ways. (PSU, NEB, OSU, Iowa)  I think we ended up exactly where we belong and definitely what we earned.  However, next year looks even worse so strap in.

 
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:41 PM (permalink)
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Yeah but there's probably 4 games we could have and should have won too so it cuts both ways. (PSU, NEB, OSU, Iowa)  I think we ended up exactly where we belong and definitely what we earned.  However, next year looks even worse so strap in.

You still not concerned with our opener next season?
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:44 PM (permalink)
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Yeah but there's probably 4 games we could have and should have won too so it cuts both ways. (PSU, NEB, OSU, Iowa)  I think we ended up exactly where we belong and definitely what we earned.  However, next year looks even worse so strap in.

I know what your saying TK, and I agree. But, look at it like this..... We didnt win those 4, and it wasnt from a "luck" aspect imo. Just lost to another team, hey it happens every week, right?
 
And, Before you reply with "well we didnt lose the games you pointed out either"
 
Allow me to retort, My point is, the 3 games were won by complete LUCK, not skill, out coaching etc etc.....
 
This is why I stand by my 4-8 caliber team, that was fortunate to win 7-6.
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:49 PM (permalink)
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I'm curious, what were your expectations entering the season?  And what indicators lead you to reach that conclusion?
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:54 PM (permalink)
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I'm curious, what were your expectations entering the season?  And what indicators lead you to reach that conclusion?

My expectations? BIG championship and a rose bowl bid, Per our HC's criteria.
 
Same as next year.......
 
Were settling these days.
 
How bout you, what was your expectations of 2013 season? Mine surely wasnt almost getting beat by Uconn, akron, and NW.
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:20 PM (permalink)
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AmaizenBlue


I'm curious, what were your expectations entering the season?  And what indicators lead you to reach that conclusion?

Do you have ANY idea how easy the 2013 schedule was?  One tough road game.  ONE.
 
And as far as the 4 losses by 4 points or less you keep citing as some example of how this team is on the right track, they also won two games by 4 points or less and needed a miracle to get to OT at Northwestern, so they could've just as easily been watching bowl season from their couches with the rest of us. 
 
I will give you this though--I'm pretty sure you equivocated just as much on RR's behalf when it was clear he should've been dispensed with, so at least you're consistent in your blind faith of coaches in over their heads.
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:20 PM (permalink)
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9-3. I am sorry, this year's schedule was a complete joke. 
CMU=horrible
ND=good, not great
Akron=horrible
UConn=horrible
PSU=not good
Minnesota=Minnesota
Indiana=Indiana
MSU=really good team
Nebraska=meh
Northwestern=bad team
Iowa=decent
pOSU=really good team
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:09 PM (permalink)
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Well at least the people expecting an improve season in '14, we play to our strengths, we got plenty of road games and an even weaker o line coming back.
 
But we probably will stomp a mudhole in app st to start season, A?
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:19 PM (permalink)
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I had high expectations too.  But as the season wore on, I could see it wasn't going to get much better due to the current state of the Oline. 
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:44 PM (permalink)
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I had high expectations too.  But as the season wore on, I could see it wasn't going to get much better due to the current state of the Oline. 

Yeah, somebody bumped your expectations in another thread earlier....Its ok, I thought the same damn thing. I drank the kool aid, we all did at some point.
 
But thats the expectation our HC is going by, so do I.
 
BIG championships and Rose bowl. Period. We have failed 3 seasons under Hoke & co.  Were 0-3
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:30 PM (permalink)
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Yeah but there's probably 4 games we could have and should have won too so it cuts both ways. (PSU, NEB, OSU, Iowa)  I think we ended up exactly where we belong and definitely what we earned.  However, next year looks even worse so strap in.

I know what your saying TK, and I agree. But, look at it like this..... We didnt win those 4, and it wasnt from a "luck" aspect imo. Just lost to another team, hey it happens every week, right?

And, Before you reply with "well we didnt lose the games you pointed out either"

Allow me to retort, My point is, the 3 games were won by complete LUCK, not skill, out coaching etc etc.....

This is why I stand by my 4-8 caliber team, that was fortunate to win 7-6.

 
Believe me, I agree that we weren't far from being 4-8.  And let's face it, we LOOK like a 4-8 team.  Either way you slice it this program is a mess and it will not be changing anytime soon.  My interest in this team will be casual at best-pretty much exactly like the coaching staff.

 
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:36 PM (permalink)
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Are we really trying to justify a 7-6 season? Good lord we are pathetic!

Go Blue!!

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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Monday, December 30, 2013 2:21 AM (permalink)
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I'm scared to death of the App State game, and it's 9 months away......
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Monday, December 30, 2013 3:04 AM (permalink)
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This is just an odd thread...
 
you do realize that every team pretty much could say this about all their wins and losses, yes?

Just makes me wonder how familiar with football in general you are. There's no "BWAL" (but we almost lost) column just as there's no "BWAW" column.  
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Monday, December 30, 2013 5:11 AM (permalink)
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Most teams can't say they are extremely lucky not to get beat by Akron and UConn. You are correct, because that is an odd situation we are in.
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Monday, December 30, 2013 9:52 AM (permalink)
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Just my 2 cents. I predicted 8-4 befor the season but thought 10-2 was possible. We are insanely lucky to be 7-6, we played 4 good games all year CMU, ND, Minn, & pOSU. So I am inclined to agree that we're a 4-8 team that the football Gods smiled on & made 7-6. We play in a weak conference with a weak non-conference sched & we're barely over .500. We can split hairs all day about we could've this or should've that but what we all have to agree on is that this team is a joke, these coaches are a joke, & there's no real reason for optimism heading forward. With The Brady Brunch returning entirely intact I expect next year to look a lot like this year except a little worse. To do the same thing over & over again & expect a different result is the defenition of insanity. We'll welcome to insanity Michigan football style. It's hard to believe these clowns make more $ than I do, I'm much better at my work than they are at theirs!
 
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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Monday, December 30, 2013 9:54 AM (permalink)
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You are what your record says you are and we are a 7-6 team.

Returning a lot of young guys who got a lot of time is never a bad thing...but the fact we have all the same coaches coming back is a bad thing...We need to be smarter than to allow a last-minute desperation TD drive against P$U and Gardner needs to be smart enough not to turn the ball over as much.

Our OL needs to get stronger and more aggressive so we can actually get positive rushing yards against Nebraska (they're not on the 2014 schedule but you get my point) and the defense needs to be tough enough to get a stop on 4th and short with the game on the line in the fourth quarter.

The offense needs to be mature enough to play with a 21-7 lead at Iowa, and the defense needs to be mentally strong enough to make sure a 2 TD advantage doesn't turn into a 3pt loss. Instead of chucking a pick 6, Gardner needs to throw the ball away or just take the sack. Instead of allowing a jailbreak blitz on 3rd and short, the OL needs to be mature enough to read what's happening and engage properly. Instead of missing tackles or having coverage breakdowns by one or two players, the defense needs to be strong all game.

There is a ton of young ability on this team, and that youth needs to turn into real on-field production NOW!

Go Blue!!

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Re:This team not even as good as their record. 7-6? Lets look back, shall we? Monday, December 30, 2013 10:07 AM (permalink)
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This is just an odd thread...

you do realize that every team pretty much could say this about all their wins and losses, yes?

Just makes me wonder how familiar with football in general you are. There's no "BWAL" (but we almost lost) column just as there's no "BWAW" column.  

 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it doesn't take an expert to figure that out.  We're 7-6 and we suck.  That's what I know.

 
 
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