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The Curse of Bo Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:50 AM (permalink)
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10. An end to the Curse of Bo
From the day that Bo Schembechler died in 2006, on the eve of No. 2 Michigan's 42-39 loss at its archrival, No. 1 Ohio State, the Wolverines have a record of 50-41 (.549). That's an average of 7-6, pretty much the definition of mediocrity. And while Michigan State has arisen over that period of time (64-30, .681), there's no rule that says both programs may not succeed at the same time. Although the fact that the Spartans went 13-1 last season while the other four FBS schools in the state (Michigan, Central Michigan, Western Michigan and Eastern Michigan) went 16-33 does make you wonder. Michigan needs to set aside the Curse of Bo this season, and I bet that the Wolverines do so, for state pride if nothing else.


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Re:The Curse of Bo Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:01 PM (permalink)
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So now he's just a "curse" to us? Blasphemy!
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:09 PM (permalink)
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It has been pretty much downhill since that Friday. Lost the game of the century, blown out by U$C, then opened up the next year with losses to Appy State and destroyed by Oregon.
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:48 PM (permalink)
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I hate dreading the past...but wholly sh*t, an average record of 7-6 each season since that dismal game? Damn...how things could be different if we go to the NC game that year...

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Re:The Curse of Bo Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:27 PM (permalink)
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If Lloyd were still coaching this team, I could buy into some curse.  But we've had 2 major shifts in regimes and philosophy since then that caused progress to stagnate.  And I don't know about all of you, but I sure as hell haven't forotten 2011.  Even if the competition that year was weak, you can't have a season like that and still say you're cursed. 
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Tuesday, June 03, 2014 11:31 PM (permalink)
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If Lloyd were still coaching this team, I could buy into some curse.  But we've had 2 major shifts in regimes and philosophy since then that caused progress to stagnate.  And I don't know about all of you, but I sure as hell haven't forotten 2011.  Even if the competition that year was weak, you can't have a season like that and still say you're cursed. 

The curse of Bo to me is not with Michigan per se, it is with a large and vocal section of the fan base that is stuck in the 70s and 80s.
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Wednesday, June 04, 2014 5:14 PM (permalink)
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There is no curse. The cold hard fact is that the Michigan brand is not what it once was. There is a myriad of reasons for this shift anything from tv contracts to population shift can be more accurately blamed than some curse. But the over riding problem plaguing the UM football program since Bo's passing is a vacuum of leadership. You can blame Carr, Rodriguez, Brandon, & Hoke for the current state of this program, attempting to blame some mythical "curse" is childish excuse making. What will we blame after this years 8-5 campaign? Did the dog eat the season???
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:35 PM (permalink)
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There is no curse. The cold hard fact is that the Michigan brand is not what it once was. There is a myriad of reasons for this shift anything from tv contracts to population shift can be more accurately blamed than some curse. But the over riding problem plaguing the UM football program since Bo's passing is a vacuum of leadership. You can blame Carr, Rodriguez, Brandon, & Hoke for the current state of this program, attempting to blame some mythical "curse" is childish excuse making. What will we blame after this years 8-5 campaign? Did the dog eat the season???


I blame population shift for not just the state of Michigan football, but the state of college football in general.  Also, we will not go 8-5.  We just won't.  If the interior Oline has improved at all, I expect a lot of running the football between the tackles this year.  I guess I just made a prediction.  At the end of the year, when you look back, I'm predicting that over 70% of our plays were runs right up the gut.  With 2 new OTs, I can't say I expect much from a passing game unless you count a few screen plays to Hayes per game.  Of course, if this line can somehow create a pocket, then you can forget this entire post altogether. 
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:44 PM (permalink)
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There's 8 wins right here:

Aug. 30 vs. Appalachian State
Sept. 13 vs. Miami (Ohio)
Sept. 20 vs. Utah
Sept. 27 vs. Minnesota
Oct. 4 at Rutgers
Nov. 1 vs. Indiana
Nov. 8 at Northwestern
Nov. 22 vs. Maryland

Pick off 1 or 2 here:

Sept. 6 at Notre Dame
Oct. 11 vs. Penn State
Oct. 25 at Michigan State
Nov. 29 at Ohio State

...and that's 9-10 wins.

BAM!

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Re:The Curse of Bo Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:26 PM (permalink)
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@Amazienblue I assume you're thinking we're going to win less than 8, & I agree that is a real possibility. I agree with @Scottsdale's 4 losses but I'm not nearly so confident that we get through Indiana, Northwestern, & Rutgers without losing at least one, I'm particularly concerned about Indiana. Those boys can score score score & if our O is sputtering along at that point IU could easily out score us before we knew what happened. I was looking at the best case scenario as 8-5, possibly 9-4 depending on our bowl draw, however I would not be a bit surprised by 6-7 or 7-6. IMO all of this hinges on the O-line & until I see them play at ND I'm going to be very skeptical of any win prediction higher than 8.
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:55 PM (permalink)
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@Amazienblue I assume you're thinking we're going to win less than 8, & I agree that is a real possibility. I agree with @Scottsdale's 4 losses but I'm not nearly so confident that we get through Indiana, Northwestern, & Rutgers without losing at least one, I'm particularly concerned about Indiana. Those boys can score score score & if our O is sputtering along at that point IU could easily out score us before we knew what happened. I was looking at the best case scenario as 8-5, possibly 9-4 depending on our bowl draw, however I would not be a bit surprised by 6-7 or 7-6. IMO all of this hinges on the O-line & until I see them play at ND I'm going to be very skeptical of any win prediction higher than 8.


Indiana may be able to score pts, but they can't stop ANYONE.

2013 Indiana Defense:

Total D - 527.9yds/game (#123)
Scoring D - 38.8pts//game (#115)
Rush D - 237.75yds/game (#117)
Pass D - 290.2yds/game (#120)
Opp First Downs - 25.8/game (#122)
T/O Margin - minus 3 (#82)

Go Blue!!

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Re:The Curse of Bo Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:18 PM (permalink)
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@Amazienblue I assume you're thinking we're going to win less than 8, & I agree that is a real possibility. I agree with @Scottsdale's 4 losses but I'm not nearly so confident that we get through Indiana, Northwestern, & Rutgers without losing at least one, I'm particularly concerned about Indiana. Those boys can score score score & if our O is sputtering along at that point IU could easily out score us before we knew what happened. I was looking at the best case scenario as 8-5, possibly 9-4 depending on our bowl draw, however I would not be a bit surprised by 6-7 or 7-6. IMO all of this hinges on the O-line & until I see them play at ND I'm going to be very skeptical of any win prediction higher than 8.


Sorry if my statement was a little vague.  We will win at least 8, but probably 9 or 10.  Saying we will go 8-5 is being EXTREMELY pessimistic.  We may have lost 6 games last year, but most of those games were extremely close.  Add in the fact that we only really experienced loss at 2 positions, we should be even better at 2/3 facets of the game, with that last 1/3 hinging on the O line.   I used to read Phil Steele's college football preview mag every year.  And there was one article that sticks out in my mind in this regard.  Phil states that statistically, teams that lose X amount of games by 4 pts or less, almost always bounce back the following year, barring any huge losses to the roster.  Even with our Oline debacle that we are only halfway through, I still believe we have a much improved record this year. 
 
But either way, my point is basically that I concur with what Scottsdale said.  9-10 wins is probable.
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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 7:59 AM (permalink)
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We've been taken to overtime in our last two meetings with NW, I wouldn't automatically count that as a win. You can't just focus on close losses without also looking at close wins. We could have just as easily lost 3-4 more games.

There's so much unknown with this team that it's hard to nail down anything close to a confident prediction.
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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:09 AM (permalink)
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We've been taken to overtime in our last two meetings with NW, I wouldn't automatically count that as a win. You can' trust focus on close losses without also looking at close wins. We could have just as easily lost 3-4 more games.

There's so much unknown with this team that it's hard to nail down anything close to a confident prediction.

 
I get what you're saying here, but focusing on a past hypothetical in general is a waste of time. No need for a hypothetical when facts are present. We were 7-6, no other way to slice it. 
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:38 AM (permalink)
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We've been taken to overtime in our last two meetings with NW, I wouldn't automatically count that as a win. You can' trust focus on close losses without also looking at close wins. We could have just as easily lost 3-4 more games.

There's so much unknown with this team that it's hard to nail down anything close to a confident prediction.


I get what you're saying here, but focusing on a past hypothetical in general is a waste of time. No need for a hypothetical when facts are present. We were 7-6, no other way to slice it. 

Agreed when it comes to purely wins and losses, which is why I toss both out. My point was, only looking at close losses like Phil Steele does in articles is not relevant if you don't also look at close wins.
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:32 AM (permalink)
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We've been taken to overtime in our last two meetings with NW, I wouldn't automatically count that as a win. You can' trust focus on close losses without also looking at close wins. We could have just as easily lost 3-4 more games.

There's so much unknown with this team that it's hard to nail down anything close to a confident prediction.


I get what you're saying here, but focusing on a past hypothetical in general is a waste of time. No need for a hypothetical when facts are present. We were 7-6, no other way to slice it. 

Agreed when it comes to purely wins and losses, which is why I toss both out. My point was, only looking at close losses like Phil Steele does in articles is not relevant if you don't also look at close wins.

And I would agree with you.  I think it's fair to look at close wins AND close losses. But I still come to the same conclusion.  Phil Steele isn't some mastermind or anything, his statistics actually make sense.  If a team is performing at a certain level one year, and most of the team stays intact the following, it's completely reasonable to expect player progression to elevate the level of play the following year.  You really shouldn't need Phil Steele's stats to prove that.  I was just referencing that article as the first time I ever really gave it much thought.  A close win SHOULD be a big win this year, and perhaps a close loss SHOULD be a close win. Or a big win.  The variable is how well the other teams on our schedule progress, regress, fall victim to injuries, etc.
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 2:29 PM (permalink)
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Hoke should have won more games in 2013. They have really squandered some games over the past 2 years which is fairly typical for Michigan; however, we tend to squander 5 per season but usually win 4 of those 5 we play bad in. Right now we are losing 3-4 of those 5 games. That has to change.

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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:02 PM (permalink)
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^^ huh?
 
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Re:The Curse of Bo Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:40 PM (permalink)
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2014 and 2015 season are HUGE for not only Brandon and Hoke…but for the program in general. We’ve seen what’s happened since 2006 after we lost to Ohio…downward spiral of great proportions with very little to cheer about (except in February when we get all jacked up about landing a 4 or 5 star kid)…if these next 2 season continue to produce results the previous 10 have…we will most certainly see a cleaning house of the entire coaching staff…and maybe even AD. The table is set…both sides of the ball are littered with good enough big 10 talent to compete for a big 10 championship by 2015. No excuses…these are Hoke’s kids, Hoke’s coaches….and the program has Hoke’s fingerprints ALL over it. Put up or shut up fat boy…give us the truffle shuffle and something to cheer about….let’s GO!

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