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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Monday, September 24, 2012 10:42 PM (permalink)
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Monday, September 24, 2012 10:52 PM (permalink)
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I really think, whether he will admit it or not, he feels such a burden to carry this team to victory every week, he feels he has to make plays even when there are no plays to be made. Hence poor decision making. I really do feel bad for the kid when people dis him and tear him down like some are on this forum.

Denard could have transferred in a heart beat and been playing at more than half the schools in this country right away. He decided to stay and play at Michigan, knowing full well the changes that were coming and knowing that there would be challenges to overcome that he could easily avoid by leaving. People may not see it now, but hopefully in the future they will look back and think "wow that kid was truly amazing, one of a kind athlete."

He is a 22 year old kid, he had one awful game. I am 22 right now, and I for one can say I could never imagine enduring the scrutiny this kid has and owning up to his mistakes like he has in front of the nation on tv and to the fanbase. Im not making an excuse for the horrific performance, just saying to cut the guy some slack, I have a feeling he will be back 2 weeks from now in west lafyette, and the boilers wont like the result 

 
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A majority of Denard's mistakes come from him simply trying to do too much. Sacks, interceptions, and poor decision making all are often a result of him trying to carry the team. 
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:16 AM (permalink)
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This is mornic.  We're arguing with a guy who says the NFL is full of 3.2 guys but DRob is just average at 3.9.  Who CARES!!?  40's at the combine don't mean sh**-that's track speed.  Football speed is what matters but again, WHO CARES?!  I don't care about the NFL and any Michigan player.  That will take care of itself.  We have an entire Big Ten season to play and that's all that matters.  Deuce has had 2 rants since he got here: Alabama is overrated and DRob is the worst QB in history.  We get it, we've now heard it a hundred times so he no longer needs to post anything more.  A simple, collective pink box from all will see to that.

EXACTLY!!! who cares about sprinting speeds on a track, in running shoes and tight spandex. I say, let 'em suit up, cleats, pads and helmet, on a grass or turf, then let them run a 40 AND a 100!!! 
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:58 AM (permalink)
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I really think, whether he will admit it or not, he feels such a burden to carry this team to victory every week, he feels he has to make plays even when there are no plays to be made. Hence poor decision making. I really do feel bad for the kid when people dis him and tear him down like some are on this forum.

Denard could have transferred in a heart beat and been playing at more than half the schools in this country right away. He decided to stay and play at Michigan, knowing full well the changes that were coming and knowing that there would be challenges to overcome that he could easily avoid by leaving. People may not see it now, but hopefully in the future they will look back and think "wow that kid was truly amazing, one of a kind athlete."

He is a 22 year old kid, he had one awful game. I am 22 right now, and I for one can say I could never imagine enduring the scrutiny this kid has and owning up to his mistakes like he has in front of the nation on tv and to the fanbase. Im not making an excuse for the horrific performance, just saying to cut the guy some slack, I have a feeling he will be back 2 weeks from now in west lafyette, and the boilers wont like the result 

Very well said!
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:16 AM (permalink)
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:19 AM (permalink)
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No one here besides one guy does not believe Denard is not bleeding blue, just the fact we have watch the same errors in big games time and time again.  The guy has so much talent it's more frustrating than anything else.
 
I am a frustrated Michigan fan right now, I am still a Denard fan and always will be, I am just frustrated.
 
I am not frustrated at Borges, I just do not like him, LOL
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:30 AM (permalink)
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I'm also of the opinion that Borges has royally screwed with Denard's head trying to make him a pass first, run at the last resort type of QB.  Look at last year.  It really wasn't until the Nebraska game that you saw Denard TRULY excell.  Why was that?  Because he wasn't waiting to tuck the ball and run!  He would drop back to pass, and when no one was open and he saw an opening, he was gone for a nice gainer.  Same thing happened in the Ohio game.  And, so far this season, he has once again regressed into holding the ball too long in the pocket, forcing bad throws, and not taking off when the opportunity is there to run.
 
I don't know if this is on Denard trying to prove that he can be a good QB so he is choosing not to run or if he is being coached to run as a very last resort.  I just wish the coaches would let Denard be Denard.  If it is Denard trying to prove a point, the coaches need to make the point to him to go back and look at how effective he was in those games with Nebraska and Ohio and tell him this is what he needs to do to best help this team win.  If it is Borges trying to make Denard fit his pro-style offense, then Borges needs to go back and look at those 2 games and put his agenda to the side and let Denard be Denard!
 
I really thought the offense had turned the corner and Borges had finally figured out how to best utilize Denard in those last 2 games and really you could even add the Illinois game in there as well.  But then, I guess the month layoff proved too much as it seems like there was once again regression back to Borges ball in the Sugar Bowl and that has carried over into our 2 losses this season so far as well?! 
 
Hopefully Denard and Borges can somehow get on the same page and make this thing work heading into conference play!

 

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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:45 AM (permalink)
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Do you people understand that Michigan completely over-achieved last year and had no business going 11-2?

Basically, it set this years team up for failure with irrational and uninformed fans. The people on this forum who you don't see standing over the ledge are the ones who understand the process and recognize this team for what they are.

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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:03 AM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:05 AM (permalink)
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Great post, Scottsdale!! You totally nailed it!! UM definitely over-achieved last year. Who ever thought we'd go 11-2 last year? That record could easily been much different- like 9-4 or 8-5.
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:44 AM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.


We are a team that relies on it's QB for 96% of the offense.  That's fine when he runs for 2 hundy and throws for 250 but it also means he can't have a bad game. Ever.  In the end, we're a team with little to no real playmakers who got by on heart, guts, and emotion last year and completely overachieved.  And I'll take it!  But that's not a well we can go to too often.  In the end, you need talent and in more areas than just QB.  The cream will always rise to the top-we just don't have that cream yet.

 
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:54 AM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.


We are a team that relies on it's QB for 96% of the offense.  That's fine when he runs for 2 hundy and throws for 250 but it also means he can't have a bad game. Ever.  In the end, we're a team with little to no real playmakers who got by on heart, guts, and emotion last year and completely overachieved.  And I'll take it!  But that's not a well we can go to too often.  In the end, you need talent and in more areas than just QB.  The cream will always rise to the top-we just don't have that cream yet.

 
How can the cream rise to the top when they are on the bench and we are throwing a HB pass?
Second when the blitz is shooting up the middle where is the quick hit across the middle to stop it?  oh lets say to one of the Devins?
 
What we are is a team with an OC who thinks he's clever.

 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:32 AM (permalink)
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ONe thing that is hurting us to, is that other teams now don't see denards deep ball as a threat, so they can clog short and intermediate routes...
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:18 PM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.


We are a team that relies on it's QB for 96% of the offense.  That's fine when he runs for 2 hundy and throws for 250 but it also means he can't have a bad game. Ever.  In the end, we're a team with little to no real playmakers who got by on heart, guts, and emotion last year and completely overachieved.  And I'll take it!  But that's not a well we can go to too often.  In the end, you need talent and in more areas than just QB.  The cream will always rise to the top-we just don't have that cream yet.


How can the cream rise to the top when they are on the bench and we are throwing a HB pass?
Second when the blitz is shooting up the middle where is the quick hit across the middle to stop it?  oh lets say to one of the Devins?

What we are is a team with an OC who thinks he's clever.


You are missing the point here. Players play. Coaches coach. Players and talent win games, not schemes. It's tough to make chicken salad when you ain't got any chicken...

TK wrote a great post several years ago about All-B10 players and All-Americans on our team today compared to past years. It's frickin scary.

We have a converted QB playing WR. We have a converted DE playing DT. We have converted OL to DL and vice versa. We have walk-ons staring in our secondary. We are so undersized that it's a miracle we are able to do some of the things we do.

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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:23 PM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.


We are a team that relies on it's QB for 96% of the offense.  That's fine when he runs for 2 hundy and throws for 250 but it also means he can't have a bad game. Ever.  In the end, we're a team with little to no real playmakers who got by on heart, guts, and emotion last year and completely overachieved.  And I'll take it!  But that's not a well we can go to too often.  In the end, you need talent and in more areas than just QB.  The cream will always rise to the top-we just don't have that cream yet.


How can the cream rise to the top when they are on the bench and we are throwing a HB pass?
Second when the blitz is shooting up the middle where is the quick hit across the middle to stop it?  oh lets say to one of the Devins?

What we are is a team with an OC who thinks he's clever.


You are missing the point here. Players play. Coaches coach. Players and talent win games, not schemes. It's tough to make chicken salad when you ain't got any chicken...

TK wrote a great post several years ago about All-B10 players and All-Americans on our team today compared to past years. It's frickin scary.

We have a converted QB playing WR. We have a converted DE playing DT. We have converted OL to DL and vice versa. We have walk-ons staring in our secondary. We are so undersized that it's a miracle we are able to do some of the things we do.

Go Blue!!

 
Scottsdale, the problem is, irrational fans can't see all of these factors you just listed when it comes to this current football team.  All irrational fans see is programs like Alabama and coaches like Nick Saban who inherit mediorcre teams and proceed to win 2 NC's in 3 years and possibly 3 in 4 years and think this type of turnaround should be the norm and then proceed to start to question the hiring of Hoke because we appear to be taking a step backward this season?!
 
If these irrational fans would just take the time to really examine this team, they would realize that Hoke inherited a freaking mess of a team and it was going to take some time to get us into a position where we would be competing regularly for B1G Championships and possibly NC's, many of which you noted in your post above!  Hoke and Mattison might as well have used smoke and mirrors to achieve the record and results they did last year.  Just because the team won 11 games last year doesn't mean that was a great team!  They could have just as easily won 8 or maybe even 9 games.  But because they won 11 games, suddenly irrational fans think the only way to improve as a team is to win more games than you did the year before and if that doesn't happen, the coach needs to be fired?! 
 
Irrational fans are also complaining about Hoke's (supposed) inability to develop talent.  Michigan might not improve on their 11 wins of a season ago, but already this season I have been seeing improvement when it comes to player developement.  I thought both lines played far and away their best games of the season last week in ND and the defense as a whole was marketedly better than the one we saw get pushed around by Alabama and the one that got gashed by Air Force.   I also thought the O-line had their best game of the year against arguably the 2nd best front 7 we will face this season behind Alabama! 
 
And that brings us to the ultimate problem with irrational fans and that is, they can't see improvement in the team outside of wins and losses.  So after Saturday's tough loss, despite the loss, I saw a lot of good from this team.  Irrational fans only see the loss and can't see any improvement in a loss?! 

 

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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:27 PM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.


We are a team that relies on it's QB for 96% of the offense.  That's fine when he runs for 2 hundy and throws for 250 but it also means he can't have a bad game. Ever.  In the end, we're a team with little to no real playmakers who got by on heart, guts, and emotion last year and completely overachieved.  And I'll take it!  But that's not a well we can go to too often.  In the end, you need talent and in more areas than just QB.  The cream will always rise to the top-we just don't have that cream yet.


How can the cream rise to the top when they are on the bench and we are throwing a HB pass?
Second when the blitz is shooting up the middle where is the quick hit across the middle to stop it?  oh lets say to one of the Devins?

What we are is a team with an OC who thinks he's clever.


You are missing the point here. Players play. Coaches coach. Players and talent win games, not schemes. It's tough to make chicken salad when you ain't got any chicken...

TK wrote a great post several years ago about All-B10 players and All-Americans on our team today compared to past years. It's frickin scary.

We have a converted QB playing WR. We have a converted DE playing DT. We have converted OL to DL and vice versa. We have walk-ons staring in our secondary. We are so undersized that it's a miracle we are able to do some of the things we do.

Go Blue!!

 
That's great, but not my point.  I do not disagree with you, buy you can not deny the play calling was terrible the first qrt.  
Sure players play, but when you call a HB pass when you were marching down the field and it goes bad, it's the players fault?  Anyone remember Bo running the same play until it was stopped. 
 
One or two different plays in the 1st qrt and the game outcome is different.  How anyone cannot see Borges lost that game either has never played or was watching a different game IMO.  The game was lost on the first two series IMO.
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:52 PM (permalink)
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Im getting pretty sick of being called irrational......Yeti's have feelings too, ya know?
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:50 PM (permalink)
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What exactly are they then?  Because they are way better than what they played on Saturday night.


We are a team that relies on it's QB for 96% of the offense.  That's fine when he runs for 2 hundy and throws for 250 but it also means he can't have a bad game. Ever.  In the end, we're a team with little to no real playmakers who got by on heart, guts, and emotion last year and completely overachieved.  And I'll take it!  But that's not a well we can go to too often.  In the end, you need talent and in more areas than just QB.  The cream will always rise to the top-we just don't have that cream yet.


How can the cream rise to the top when they are on the bench and we are throwing a HB pass?
Second when the blitz is shooting up the middle where is the quick hit across the middle to stop it?  oh lets say to one of the Devins?

What we are is a team with an OC who thinks he's clever.


You are missing the point here. Players play. Coaches coach. Players and talent win games, not schemes. It's tough to make chicken salad when you ain't got any chicken...

TK wrote a great post several years ago about All-B10 players and All-Americans on our team today compared to past years. It's frickin scary.

We have a converted QB playing WR. We have a converted DE playing DT. We have converted OL to DL and vice versa. We have walk-ons staring in our secondary. We are so undersized that it's a miracle we are able to do some of the things we do.

Go Blue!!


Scottsdale, the problem is, irrational fans can't see all of these factors you just listed when it comes to this current football team.  All irrational fans see is programs like Alabama and coaches like Nick Saban who inherit mediorcre teams and proceed to win 2 NC's in 3 years and possibly 3 in 4 years and think this type of turnaround should be the norm and then proceed to start to question the hiring of Hoke because we appear to be taking a step backward this season?!

If these irrational fans would just take the time to really examine this team, they would realize that Hoke inherited a freaking mess of a team and it was going to take some time to get us into a position where we would be competing regularly for B1G Championships and possibly NC's, many of which you noted in your post above!  Hoke and Mattison might as well have used smoke and mirrors to achieve the record and results they did last year.  Just because the team won 11 games last year doesn't mean that was a great team!  They could have just as easily won 8 or maybe even 9 games.  But because they won 11 games, suddenly irrational fans think the only way to improve as a team is to win more games than you did the year before and if that doesn't happen, the coach needs to be fired?! 

Irrational fans are also complaining about Hoke's (supposed) inability to develop talent.  Michigan might not improve on their 11 wins of a season ago, but already this season I have been seeing improvement when it comes to player developement.  I thought both lines played far and away their best games of the season last week in ND and the defense as a whole was marketedly better than the one we saw get pushed around by Alabama and the one that got gashed by Air Force.   I also thought the O-line had their best game of the year against arguably the 2nd best front 7 we will face this season behind Alabama! 

And that brings us to the ultimate problem with irrational fans and that is, they can't see improvement in the team outside of wins and losses.  So after Saturday's tough loss, despite the loss, I saw a lot of good from this team.  Irrational fans only see the loss and can't see any improvement in a loss?! 

Yes it's irrational to want an OC to call plays without his head up his ass.
 
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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:34 PM (permalink)
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I didn't think the playcalling was all that bad in the 2nd half.  Our first two possessions of the 2nd half were quite good if you ask me.  Is it Borges' fault Denard fumbled inside the 10 yardline and we only came away with 3 points to show for both drives?
 
I'm not saying Borges called a great game.  I too get very frustrated with his handling (or lack thereof) of a QB with the skillset that Denard brings.  But Borges also isn't the one throwing all of the int's and putting the football on the carpet either...

 

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Re:Some Michigan fans can't appreciate brilliance of Denard Robinson Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:59 AM (permalink)
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I didn't think the playcalling was all that bad in the 2nd half.  Our first two possessions of the 2nd half were quite good if you ask me.  Is it Borges' fault Denard fumbled inside the 10 yardline and we only came away with 3 points to show for both drives?

I'm not saying Borges called a great game.  I too get very frustrated with his handling (or lack thereof) of a QB with the skillset that Denard brings.  But Borges also isn't the one throwing all of the int's and putting the football on the carpet either...

Football game is a game of momentum, Borges pulls his head out of his ass on the first redzone visit and we have a different outcome.  That's why Hoke talks about EVERY play a player needs to play up to Michigan Standards, I guess Coaches can take plays off.
 
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