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Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:42 PM (permalink)
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The newly renovated Schembechler Hall pays homage to former Michigan greats and includes a display of Michigan’s past success. But in Ann Arbor those triumphs are starting to feel like something from the distant past. It’s been a decade since the team last won the Big Ten title under coach Lloyd Carr.
 
As Brady Hoke enters his fourth season Michigan fans are tired of rebuilding—it’s time for results.

 
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:15 PM (permalink)
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10 years since a B1G championship? DAMN...I'm a Hoke fan but he MUST produce a 10-win season, at the very least, to keep the heat off him & my full support!
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:45 PM (permalink)
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Reads like a man who's out of ideas and doing whatever he can to save his job.  Five months ago it was the players' fault for not executing.  All of a sudden now he's accountable.  I don't disagree at all, but I wonder what took him so damn long to figure that out.  I thought he only sounded like he's thicker than whale sh!t.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Wednesday, April 23, 2014 2:47 PM (permalink)
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10 years since a B1G championship? DAMN...I'm a Hoke fan but he MUST produce a 10-win season, at the very least, to keep the heat off him & my full support!

Even during the Bump Elliot years we didn't go 10 years without a Big 10 crown.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:43 PM (permalink)
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10 years since a B1G championship? DAMN...I'm a Hoke fan but he MUST produce a 10-win season, at the very least, to keep the heat off him & my full support!

Even during the Bump Elliot years we didn't go 10 years without a Big 10 crown.

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THAT is pretty bad! To say that Hoke is feeling pressure for 2014 is an understatement. Definitely, not the program I became a fanatic of, way back in the mid-70s 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:56 PM (permalink)
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So, I wonder if the new museum in Schembechler Hall has a 'how many days since we won a big 10 championship' clock...'

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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 3:47 AM (permalink)
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I hope Hoke is kind of trolling us... I expect better things. I believe he does as well. I still have faith in him. This is the do or die season. 

 
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:11 AM (permalink)
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Hoke made his own bed with Borges, Mallory and Funk.   So the fact his bed is extremely uncomfortable and hot is all on him.
 
I don't dislike Hoke at all, IMO he brought some of the old Michigan arrogance with him.  We're Michigan so we will win, Hoke forgot about hard work.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:57 AM (permalink)
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I hope Hoke is kind of trolling us... I expect better things. I believe he does as well. I still have faith in him. This is the do or die season. 

 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:59 AM (permalink)
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Hoke's been accountable the whole time.  
 
The conference drought has been one of the most vexing issues since '06 if you ask me.  That said, our coach has also demonstrated he's willing to make difficult moves/decisions to try to address this team's deficiencies:
- He fired Borges, something that I would wager a decent sum of cash on that only a few people actually thought would happen after last season.  
- He subsequently went out and got the best OC available. 
- He re-organized the entire defensive staff
 
I appreciate that we have a coach who's willing to take the burden of responsibility, who doesn't sit there and throw his staff and players under the bus, and I continue to think that we have a staff that can get this team where it needs to be.
 
The whole "we didn't execute" was not some slam on the players, it was blatantly obvious fact.  It was a statement that applied to the coaching staff and to the team as a whole.  You show me one quote where Hoke or anyone else on this staff singled out a player, it didn't happen.  I have no issue with Hoke stating we didn't execute.  When you get called for delay of game taking you out of FG range, the coaching staff blew their execution of game management.  When Al Borges calls 27 runs for 27 yards, his execution and adaptation of the game plan was... er... lacking.  When our offensive line gets blown three yards back on every snap in East Lansing, they sure as hell didn't execute.  Stating that isn't ducking responsibility or passing the buck.
 
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:18 AM (permalink)
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Hoke's been accountable the whole time.  

The conference drought has been one of the most vexing issues since '06 if you ask me.  That said, our coach has also demonstrated he's willing to make difficult moves/decisions to try to address this team's deficiencies:
- He fired Borges, something that I would wager a decent sum of cash on that only a few people actually thought would happen after last season.  
- He subsequently went out and got the best OC available. 
- He re-organized the entire defensive staff

I appreciate that we have a coach who's willing to take the burden of responsibility, who doesn't sit there and throw his staff and players under the bus, and I continue to think that we have a staff that can get this team where it needs to be.

The whole "we didn't execute" was not some slam on the players, it was blatantly obvious fact.  It was a statement that applied to the coaching staff and to the team as a whole.  You show me one quote where Hoke or anyone else on this staff singled out a player, it didn't happen.  I have no issue with Hoke stating we didn't execute.  When you get called for delay of game taking you out of FG range, the coaching staff blew their execution of game management.  When Al Borges calls 27 runs for 27 yards, his execution and adaptation of the game plan was... er... lacking.  When our offensive line gets blown three yards back on every snap in East Lansing, they sure as hell didn't execute.  Stating that isn't ducking responsibility or passing the buck.

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I would argue that it depends on context. Point out that there were execution issues isn't the problem, I think most could see those problems. I think where most people had issues and viewed the "execution" comments as throwing the players under the bus is when they came is response to questions about the coaching/playcalling specifically. Hoke and Borges would be asked about coaching related things specifically, like would you have have called things differently, or what could have been done differently coaching wise. Their response, particularly during the middle of the season was almost exclusively based on "execution." I remember Hoke being asked flat out if he was happy with the playcalling following Michigan State and Iowa (two of the worst coached games of the year mind you) and he blamed execution issues. Did I expect him to throw Borges/GMatt under the bus, no but he very easily could have said we can/have to do better jobs as coaches. Those type statements didn't come until the very end of the season after fans expressed outrage and accused the coaches of throwing players under the bus. The same thing happened after we played Ohio State. The questions was asked what was different about that game offensively vs. the previous games and the response was, well we executed the gameplan better (which was straight BS btw, the calls in that game were very different than the previous games).
 
I consider all of that ducking responsibility. Particularly when we're talking about game to game and season to season issues.
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:34 AM (permalink)
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My concern is why, in the past 2 years (specifically last year) did this coaching staff continually put the players and the team in a position to lose by having them try to execute plays they cannot execute? I don't have a lot of faith in this staff's ability to identify strengths...and play to those strengths. I'm hoping that changes with the addition of Nuss and the defensive staff reshuffle.

Here's a good example I'm speaking about. Against P$U, you have 3rd-and-inches inside the P$U 16 in OT after they fumbled the ball on their possession, a FG kicker who is 1 for his last 3 in about the last 15 minutes of real time, an RB who has 26 yards on 26 carries, a 6-4 QB who can get you 5-10 yards a chunk running the ball on his own, you're on the road in front of a hostile crowd and you opt to take the same conservative approach that caused you to cough up a 10-point, 4th-quarter lead, which put you into OT to begin with. That is not learning from earlier mistakes. And then the Hoke blames the players for not executing. Inexcusable for Hoke to say the players had to block better, tackle better, execute better, la la la. That happens in every football game across the country, but Hoke and Company also need to put them in a position to win, not set your kicker up for failure. We have enough talent to win every game on our schedule and there are going to be games where the players are just off, but last season was 100% on the coaching staff.

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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:50 AM (permalink)
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p.s This isn't limited to Borges and the offense. The defense has given up an average of 26ppg against ND, Mich St, and Ohio State over the last 3 years (avg would be higher if you included bowl games.) Greg Mattison is as much in the cross hairs for his unit's performance as anyone.
 
Now GMatt inherited a much worse situation taking over one of the worst defensive units in the country which is why he's largely escaped criticism to this point. Going into this year though, with a veteran unit comprised almost exclusively of players that he and his staff recruited, that honeymoon period free pass has run out.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:55 AM (permalink)
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p.s This isn't limited to Borges and the offense. The defense has given up an average of 26ppg against ND, Mich St, and Ohio State over the last 3 years (avg would be higher if you included bowl games.) Greg Mattison is as much in the cross hairs for his unit's performance as anyone.

 
You mean this stuff that you wrote last fall....
 
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With all due respect to Mr. Mattison who deserves a lot of credit for his track record and turning this defense around. His units have flat out sh*t the bed in a number of big games over the last 3 years, including all 3 games against Ohio. 

2011 
Notre Dame- D gives up 31 
Mich St- D gives up 28 (helped by offensive giveaways) 
Ohio State- D gives up 34 


2012 
Alabama- D gives up 41 
Northwestern- D gives up 31 
Ohio State- D gives up 26 
South Carolina-D gives up 33 


2013 
Notre Dame- D gives up 30 
Penn State- D gives up 43 
Ohio State- D gives up 42 

Now we all bag on Al Borges for his performances, but his units have showed up in a number of big games over the last 3 years and it has been the defense that has let us down. We're here at the end of the year 3 and can we really say that this defense is better than they were in year 1? Are we even close to putting out a truly elite (not just statistically) defense? 

Honeymoon is over for me with GMatt. Not trying to run him out of town, his units have kept us afloat in a number of games when the offense has been absolutely terrible, but our defensive performances in big games has been less than stellar. 

 
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:02 AM (permalink)
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Good to see you around Scmgoblue

I would argue that it depends on context. Point out that there were execution issues isn't the problem, I think most could see those problems. I think where most people had issues and viewed the "execution" comments as throwing the players under the bus is when they came is response to questions about the coaching/playcalling specifically. Hoke and Borges would be asked about coaching related things specifically, like would you have have called things differently, or what could have been done differently coaching wise. Their response, particularly during the middle of the season was almost exclusively based on "execution." I remember Hoke being asked flat out if he was happy with the playcalling following Michigan State and Iowa (two of the worst coached games of the year mind you) and he blamed execution issues. Did I expect him to throw Borges/GMatt under the bus, no but he very easily could have said we can/have to do better jobs as coaches. Those type statements didn't come until the very end of the season after fans expressed outrage and accused the coaches of throwing players under the bus. The same thing happened after we played Ohio State. The questions was asked what was different about that game offensively vs. the previous games and the response was, well we executed the gameplan better (which was straight BS btw, the calls in that game were very different than the previous games).

I consider all of that ducking responsibility. Particularly when we're talking about game to game and season to season issues.

Thanks!
 
I understand that line of thinking, I guess I interpret that as Hoke being the type of guy who is going to give the media nothing to disrupt his locker-room and staff while I imagine behind closed doors it's a different story.  I understand where you're coming from with that though.
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:08 AM (permalink)
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Listen I`m still trying to understand the logic of continually running play action passes while having negative rushing yards. Or playing our CBs 5-7yds off the ball on 3rd and short. Or two separate offensive lines struggling to run block, each with different personnel (2012 and 2013).
 
Yet we sit bewildered during the post game and muse on execution issues
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My concern is why, in the past 2 years (specifically last year) did this coaching staff continually put the players and the team in a position to lose by having them try to execute plays they cannot execute? I don't have a lot of faith in this staff's ability to identify strengths...and play to those strengths. I'm hoping that changes with the addition of Nuss and the defensive staff reshuffle.

Here's a good example I'm speaking about. Against P$U, you have 3rd-and-inches inside the P$U 16 in OT after they fumbled the ball on their possession, a FG kicker who is 1 for his last 3 in about the last 15 minutes of real time, an RB who has 26 yards on 26 carries, a 6-4 QB who can get you 5-10 yards a chunk running the ball on his own, you're on the road in front of a hostile crowd and you opt to take the same conservative approach that caused you to cough up a 10-point, 4th-quarter lead, which put you into OT to begin with. That is not learning from earlier mistakes. And then the Hoke blames the players for not executing. Inexcusable for Hoke to say the players had to block better, tackle better, execute better, la la la. That happens in every football game across the country, but Hoke and Company also need to put them in a position to win, not set your kicker up for failure. We have enough talent to win every game on our schedule and there are going to be games where the players are just off, but last season was 100% on the coaching staff.

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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:25 AM (permalink)
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My concern is why, in the past 2 years (specifically last year) did this coaching staff continually put the players and the team in a position to lose by having them try to execute plays they cannot execute? I don't have a lot of faith in this staff's ability to identify strengths...and play to those strengths. I'm hoping that changes with the addition of Nuss and the defensive staff reshuffle.

Here's a good example I'm speaking about. Against P$U, you have 3rd-and-inches inside the P$U 16 in OT after they fumbled the ball on their possession, a FG kicker who is 1 for his last 3 in about the last 15 minutes of real time, an RB who has 26 yards on 26 carries, a 6-4 QB who can get you 5-10 yards a chunk running the ball on his own, you're on the road in front of a hostile crowd and you opt to take the same conservative approach that caused you to cough up a 10-point, 4th-quarter lead, which put you into OT to begin with. That is not learning from earlier mistakes. And then the Hoke blames the players for not executing. Inexcusable for Hoke to say the players had to block better, tackle better, execute better, la la la. That happens in every football game across the country, but Hoke and Company also need to put them in a position to win, not set your kicker up for failure. We have enough talent to win every game on our schedule and there are going to be games where the players are just off, but last season was 100% on the coaching staff.

Go Blue!!


 
That game in particular was the single worst handling of in-game strategy and tactics we've seen in Hoke's tenure, but I do think it stands as an outlier of his three years here thus far (one could argue the 2012 ND game was another example... Vincent Smith halfback pass ).  At the time I blamed it entirely on Borges, though to be fair I was having an aneurysm in the stadium watching us blow what had been a great second half performance to take a 10 pt lead.  My general impression is that Hoke wasn't much meddling in playcalls, I put the timeout entirely on him, but the slam into the line on inches to go, I don't know man, I still think that was a Borges special.  We could certainly discuss that Hoke should've weighed in more on game-changing decisions re: playcalls, but I guess I don't view Hoke's responses to press conference questions as anything more than bland formulaic responses to often terrible questions.  This doesn't strike me as any different than how Lloyd handled these types of issues as well.
 
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:29 AM (permalink)
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I guess I interpret that as Hoke being the type of guy who is going to give the media nothing to disrupt his locker-room and staff while I imagine behind closed doors it's a different story.

Wouldn't want to disrupt that fragile locker room chemistry which Frank Clark told us--and everyone else--was terrible. The last thing Hoke should do is try something new when everything he's done in the past isn't working.
 
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:38 AM (permalink)
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I guess I interpret that as Hoke being the type of guy who is going to give the media nothing to disrupt his locker-room and staff while I imagine behind closed doors it's a different story.

Wouldn't want to disrupt that fragile locker room chemistry which Frank Clark told us--and everyone else--was terrible. The last thing Hoke should do is try something new when everything he's done in the past isn't working.

 
Isn't it so easy to jump on someone when he's down?  Pile on people.
 
I hope to God he makes you all eat your words!!
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Re:Michigan Football: Brady Hoke Admits to a Failure of Leadership, Why He's Right Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:33 PM (permalink)
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Isn't it so easy to jump on someone when he's down?  Pile on people.

I hope to God he makes you all eat your words!!

I'd be just as happy as you if Hoke started earning his giant paycheck by winning more football games, particularly in conference. See I don't want him to fail, I just don't have any problem pointing out when he does. If that kind of pressure's too much for him, maybe he should have stayed on the west coast with all the other hippies and communists.
 
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