Is Michigan a young team?

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Is Michigan a young team? Friday, May 30, 2014 8:38 PM (permalink)
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http://www.mlive.com/wolv..._will_michigan_fo.html



In 2011 you had a bunch of fifth-year seniors, in 2012 you had a decent core of seniors, but in 2013 and now in 2014, you're hurting from the attrition that came from the 2009, 2010 and 2011 classes.

Does it make you a "homer" to say Michigan's current football team is young?

If your definition of being a "homer" means you're constantly searching high and low to make excuses and cultivate a favorable narrative surrounding the team you cheer for, then no, I don't think you'd be doing that if you chose to call this team young.

Because it is.

Michigan was a young team in 2013 and it will be again in 2014. It wasn't in 2011, and it took care of business. It wasn't in 2012, and it dropped the ball. And now, here it sits.

Being young and automatically struggling, though, isn't quite an absolute. Auburn had a number of young players -- including offensive linemen -- last season, and it willed itself to a national title game. Michigan State's been featuring underclassmen on defense for the better part of four years, and it does pretty well for itself.

Is the worst part over? I don't know, that remains to be seen. To me, it isn't about how young you are, it's about how quickly you're being developed.

Once guys are on campus for a year and have a chance to get their feet wet and become acclimated to the college game, they have to start turning into players. That hasn't happened quickly enough over the past two years, and that pace needs to heighten.


This has been a hot topic of discussion this week (and for the better part of the last couple of years), so is there any validity to the claim?

At what point do we stop saying, "next year?"

At what point are we no longer a young team?

Nick tells us what he thinks...what do you think?

Go Blue!!

P.S. yes, it's the off-season so we get lame threads like this to discuss Michigan football. Haha

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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Friday, May 30, 2014 9:43 PM (permalink)
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Yes this program is young. Not the team, the program. How many seniors do we have this year? 11? Basically you don't want to have to play redshirt freshmen on your line.

We need to remember how badly our numbers were at key positions when RR left. So, yes, we are young again in 2014. We are no longer a young program in 2015 regardless of who the head coach is.
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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Friday, May 30, 2014 10:41 PM (permalink)
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ScottsdaleBlue


http://www.mlive.com/wolv..._will_michigan_fo.html



In 2011 you had a bunch of fifth-year seniors, in 2012 you had a decent core of seniors, but in 2013 and now in 2014, you're hurting from the attrition that came from the 2009, 2010 and 2011 classes.

Does it make you a "homer" to say Michigan's current football team is young?

If your definition of being a "homer" means you're constantly searching high and low to make excuses and cultivate a favorable narrative surrounding the team you cheer for, then no, I don't think you'd be doing that if you chose to call this team young.

Because it is.

Michigan was a young team in 2013 and it will be again in 2014. It wasn't in 2011, and it took care of business. It wasn't in 2012, and it dropped the ball. And now, here it sits.

Being young and automatically struggling, though, isn't quite an absolute. Auburn had a number of young players -- including offensive linemen -- last season, and it willed itself to a national title game. Michigan State's been featuring underclassmen on defense for the better part of four years, and it does pretty well for itself.

Is the worst part over? I don't know, that remains to be seen. To me, it isn't about how young you are, it's about how quickly you're being developed.

Once guys are on campus for a year and have a chance to get their feet wet and become acclimated to the college game, they have to start turning into players. That hasn't happened quickly enough over the past two years, and that pace needs to heighten.


This has been a hot topic of discussion this week (and for the better part of the last couple of years), so is there any validity to the claim?

At what point do we stop saying, "next year?"

At what point are we no longer a young team?

Nick tells us what he thinks...what do you think?

Go Blue!!

P.S. yes, it's the off-season so we get lame threads like this to discuss Michigan football. Haha

 
when looking at the 2014 team in and of itself, it IS young and inexperienced.  however, when looking at the schedule, UM has more talent, on paper (I know, games are played on the field, I realize that), than 9, if not 10, of the teams it will face.  with a couple of lucky bounces, winning 11 games and earning a berth in the CCG is not unreasonable
 
if the coaching staff can actually put together some decent gameplans, create an identity, and not gift-wrap games to our opponents (ahem, psu) UM can have a pretty good season.  if that happens, recruiting will more than likely finish strong, and then, watch out in 2015.  it'll finally have the talent and experience to compete against the best in the country.  obviously, there's a lot of ifs there, but UM is not THAT far off from getting back to national prominence



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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Saturday, May 31, 2014 5:55 PM (permalink)
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Unfortunately Nick didn't decide to go to the actual numbers. We're neither significantly young, or old, we're somewhere in the middle. The majority of the starting lineup is made up of upperclassmen, true juniors.RS Soph with a sprinkling of 4th and 5th year guys. If you've done your job from a development standpoint it's rare that you ever a team made up of 30-35 seniors. The bulk of most teams rest in the junior classes.

When you take a lot at the projected starting lineup what you find is.....

QB- Gardner - 5th yr
RB- Green/Smith - 2nd yr
FB- Kerriage- 4th yr/Houma-3rd yr
WR - Funchess - 3rd yr
WR - Chesson/Darboh - 3rd yr
WR- Canteen 1st yr/Norfleet 3rd yr
TE - Butt 2yr/Williams 3rd yr
OT- Magnuson - 3rd yr
OG- Bosch - 2nd yr
OC- Glasglow 4th yr/Miller 4th yr
OG- Kalis - 3rd yr
OT- Braden - 3rd yr

DE- Clark - 4th yr/ Oljemudia 3r yr
DT- Pipkins 3rd yr/Henry - 3rd yr
DT- Wormley 3rd yr/Godin 3rd yr
DE- Beyer - 4yr/Charlton 2nd yr
LB- Morgan 4yr/Gedeon-2nd yr
LB- Ryan 5th yr/Bolden 3rd yr
LB- Ross-3rd yr/Jenkins-Stone 3rd yr
CB-Taylor - 4yr
CB-Countess - 4yr
CB-Lewis - 2ndyr
S- Wilson - 3rd yr
S- Hill/Thomas - 2nd yr

So out of 24 positions (taking multiple sets into account and leaving summer enrolless like Peppers out) we're looking at 5 being maned by an underclassmen. 19/24 of the lineup will likely be madeup of upperclassmen. That's not young.

Now the number of career starts, particularly offensively, aren't as high as you'd like but guys should be ready to play once they hit upperclass status regardless of prior starting experience. This isn't the NFL, you're always going to have to break in new starters in colllege football. If you're upperclassmen aren't ready to be first year starters that's on you.
 
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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Saturday, May 31, 2014 8:28 PM (permalink)
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MF4L - Great breakdown!  I agree but I say we must give Brady this coming year to see if he and his staff are "coaching up" the players. 2015 is critical, imho.
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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Sunday, June 01, 2014 8:42 AM (permalink)
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Nice breakdown 4Life.....I think our team suffers from a developmental standpoint not youth.
 
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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Sunday, June 01, 2014 11:32 AM (permalink)
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As we've said, it all comes down to developmet....but I'm just not sure I trust majority of the coaches who are working with these kids. I don't necessarily think Hoke has recruited bad players...he's just failed to surround them with coaches who can take these kids to the next level and complete with the big boys of college football.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Sunday, June 01, 2014 11:47 AM (permalink)
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It's been a constant stream of excuses for the last who knows how many years.  You either get the job done or you get eliminated-it's that simple.  Everything else is just noise.
 
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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:37 PM (permalink)
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How funk/Mallory still have jobs is.just mindbogglingly to me.
 
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Re:Is Michigan a young team? Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:35 PM (permalink)
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It's been a constant stream of excuses for the last who knows how many years.  You either get the job done or you get eliminated-it's that simple.  Everything else is just noise.


It's been A LONG time since we've seen constant success...and it blows!

Go Blue!!

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