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jazzmandol

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Direction of Michigan Football Monday, February 24, 2014 10:03 AM (permalink)
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I am very concerned about the direction of Michigan football, as are many others.  A couple questions: 1) Brady Hoke said he didn't develop the 2013 team, the primary responsibility of a head coach, I think.  In addition Frank Clark said the 2013 team wasn't a family.  What is Hoke going to do different to develop the 2014 team, other than shuffle assistant coaches?  2) The Olympic athletes use sports psychologists and visualization successfully to train the brain for competition.  Does U of M use sports psychologists and if not, why not?  Thanks for any feedback!  Dave L.
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Monday, February 24, 2014 12:30 PM (permalink)
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Welcome to the board! The majority is concerned with what u said honestly. I personally don't know how coach funk still has a job, and many others feel the same with coach Mallory too.
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:24 PM (permalink)
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I won't speak for everyone on the board here but think there is a fair amount of us who honestly believe that Brady Hoke himself doesn't know the answer to your questions. It is my opinion that Btady Hoke is in way over his head in this position & is aware of it so at this point all he does is stand on the sideline head-set-less & clap & during the off season make bone headed decision after bone headed decision. The flip flopping of D assistants being the most bizarre of all. If the assistant coaches lack the ability to coach their position group you fire them & bring in a competent coach. Concerned is probably looking at the glass half full, what all UM fans should be is outraged. A decade since the University if Michigan football team was relevant in the B1G, one of the weakest big time football conferences in the country. Now with division re-alignment the road to the B1G Champ. game, which we've never even played in by the way, is much rougher than it was. Musical chairs defensive assistant coaches, zero pass rush, the worst O-line I've ever seen at UM & we lose 2 NFL tackles from that terrible line, new O-cooridinator, another torn ACL in off-season conditioning...Have I made my point yet lol, kudos to you for only being concerned!
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:02 PM (permalink)
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This is not directly posted at you, Jabes, but this board will be almost comical if Brady Hoke succeeds at Michigan. People are freaking out over everything (hey, they don't call us fanatics for nothing!), with no idea what the future may hold.
 
It's similar to talking about current professional players "legacies." Everyone loves to argue Lebron and Peyton's place in history and thinks they have the right answer, and it's probably best if we just let it play out. If LeBron tears his knee up tomorrow, the rest of his career could be altered dramatically.
 
Similarly, if Devin Gardner has Vince Young type improvement (check out VY's numbers the year before they won the NC. Here's a hint: they were worse the DG's 2013 stats) then Brady Hoke's fate as Michigan's head coach will be changed dramatically as well. I know it's the off-season and there's not a whole lot to talk about so were going to complain about everything, but take a deep breath.
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:22 PM (permalink)
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Similarly, if Devin Gardner has Vince Young type improvement (check out VY's numbers the year before they won the NC. Here's a hint: they were worse the DG's 2013 stats) then Brady Hoke's fate as Michigan's head coach will be changed dramatically as well. I know it's the off-season and there's not a whole lot to talk about so were going to complain about everything, but take a deep breath.

 
 
I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to mean, or if it's supposed to make Michigan fans feel better. So Devin's 2013 numbers were better than Vince Young's were in 2004. Okay? And? Texas also had an 1800-yard Doak Walker Award-winning RB to lean on during that 2004 season, and finished 11-1 with a Rose Bowl win over Michigan. Gardner threw for ~3000 yards, ran for ~500, and accounted for over 30 touchdowns this past season......and the team still sucked.
 
Devin having "Vince Young type improvement" also demands that type of improvement from quite literally every other position on the team, and every coach as well. After seeing the last two seasons, how confident should any of us be that that's going to happen?
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:30 PM (permalink)
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Similarly, if Devin Gardner has Vince Young type improvement (check out VY's numbers the year before they won the NC. Here's a hint: they were worse the DG's 2013 stats) then Brady Hoke's fate as Michigan's head coach will be changed dramatically as well. I know it's the off-season and there's not a whole lot to talk about so were going to complain about everything, but take a deep breath.



I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to mean, or if it's supposed to make Michigan fans feel better. So Devin's 2013 numbers were better than Vince Young's were in 2004. Okay? And? Texas also had an 1800-yard Doak Walker Award-winning RB to lean on during that 2004 season, and finished 11-1 with a Rose Bowl win over Michigan. Gardner threw for ~3000 yards, ran for ~500, and accounted for over 30 touchdowns this past season......and the team still sucked.

Devin having "Vince Young type improvement" also demands that type of improvement from quite literally every other position on the team, and every coach as well. After seeing the last two seasons, how confident should any of us be that that's going to happen?


I'd say strong to quite strong...lol

Go Blue!!

Ohio St.'s actions are not unlike their lower intestine: stinky and loaded with danger.

 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:32 PM (permalink)
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I'm speaking strictly on what-ifs that everyone just already assumes to be negative on the fate of 2014 (and Brady Hoke) without considering the positive alternative of what could happen. Improvements that could happen people are already jumping into the "won't happen."
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:03 PM (permalink)
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Gardner isn't going to regress or get worse in 2014 so if others on the team (RBs, OL and D) improve, Michigan will have a much better season and Hoke will be asking for an extension.

If players around him and the D do not get better, 2014 will look similar to 2013 and Hoke will either get fired (unlikely) or be a lame duck coach going into the 2015 season.

Me thinks players will improve and the team will be better because I have to believe they are embarrassed by last season and want to be better. There is talent on this team.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:57 AM (permalink)
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Of course none of us know what will happen in '14.  All we can point to is the body of work in front of us the past 3 years and that body of work has been suspect at best and is the primary reason for doubting that '14 will be any better.  If Hoke wins the conference championship next year then obviously people will be happy and won't be calling for his head.  That's sports and that's life and if you want to make the big bucks you'd better be willing to deal with it.  But to think there's no reason to be less than optimistic when the past 2 years have been complete failures?  Umm...yeah...ok.  Show me, don't tell me Brady.  This is the year.
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:13 AM (permalink)
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All we can do at this point is try to project what will happen and what is most likely to happen. There are always room for surprises but things rarely just materialize out of thin air. None of us know but we can make some pretty good educated guesses. And hell, it's February and we're on a message board, what else is there to do?
 
Right now, the odds are higher than we have an 8-4/9-3 type season than 10-2/11-1. I can't agree that we could just as easily have a 10-2 Big 10 title type season as an average one. Based on the roster, schedule, and coaching issues the likelyhood of us having an average season is MUCH higher.
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:28 AM (permalink)
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All if our predictions and analysis is based upon last year (rightfully so), but every team is different so I'll wait and see how things look in spring ball, fall ball and games in September because that will tell the story as to how far (or little) this team has come.

Go Blue!!

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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:15 PM (permalink)
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We do know they are capable of winning a BCS bowl and also capable of sh*ting the bed. Probably safe to say well land somewhere in the middle.
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Wednesday, February 26, 2014 4:10 PM (permalink)
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I know from this point forward 9-4 has to be the floor. Hoke is out of excuses. Can't blame his coaching staff, he has 2 of the best coordinators in the country and had the opportunity to replace position coaches and elected not to. Can't blame RR, 90% of the players on the current roster are Hoke recruits....and the RR leftovers have been under Hoke's tutelage for going 3+ years now. Can't blame the talent level, Hoke has had a couple top 10 classes and the incoming class is top 10 in terms of star ranking. 
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:57 PM (permalink)
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This is not directly posted at you, Jabes, but this board will be almost comical if Brady Hoke succeeds at Michigan. People are freaking out over everything (hey, they don't call us fanatics for nothing!), with no idea what the future may hold.

It's similar to talking about current professional players "legacies." Everyone loves to argue Lebron and Peyton's place in history and thinks they have the right answer, and it's probably best if we just let it play out. If LeBron tears his knee up tomorrow, the rest of his career could be altered dramatically.

Similarly, if Devin Gardner has Vince Young type improvement (check out VY's numbers the year before they won the NC. Here's a hint: they were worse the DG's 2013 stats) then Brady Hoke's fate as Michigan's head coach will be changed dramatically as well. I know it's the off-season and there's not a whole lot to talk about so were going to complain about everything, but take a deep breath.


@UM sometimes I forget that my PC doesn't have a sarcasm button & my tongue in cheek smart-ass ways don't translate very well in written form lol
 
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Re:Direction of Michigan Football Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:05 AM (permalink)
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are your friends if speaking in a foreign tongue, on this board, such as sarcasm. It gets lost in translation and taken as if one were writing gospel.


Pretty enternaing to watch tho.
 
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