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Raoul

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Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:55 PM (permalink)
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I thought it might be useful to have a thread for discussion of possible candidates, rumors, etc.
 
Someone at Swish Appeal posted this: Potential Candidates For Head Coach Of The Michigan Women's Basketball Team
 
A couple of the suggested candidates seem a bit more plausible to me than the ones Goricki came up, including Tricia Cullop, head coach at Toledo, and Dean Lockwood, an assistant at Tennessee with deep ties to the state of Michigan.
 
This person mentions that both Lockwood and another candidate on his or her list, Melanie Balcomb, Vanderbilt's head coach, had both been mentioned as possible candidates during Michigan's last coaching search.
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    Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:02 PM (permalink)
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    It was interesting that the article above listed Barnes but not Plitzuweit.  However, any list that has AnnMarie Gilbert as #2 is clearly out of touch.
     
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      Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:21 PM (permalink)
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      It was interesting that the article above listed Barnes but not Plitzuweit.  However, any list that has AnnMarie Gilbert as #2 is clearly out of touch.

       
      Are you sure that's a ranked list? It could just be numbered 1-5. I agree Gilbert is not a realistic candidate, but at least the person mentioned the NCAA cloud she has hanging over her. As I said above, a couple of the other candidates look pretty good to me, and the person who posted this seemed pretty knowledgeable given all the details he or she provided and reasons why a candidate might make sense for Michigan (e.g., head coaching experience, Michigan or Midwestern ties).
       
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        Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:44 PM (permalink)
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        I assumed it was a ranking but it isn't clear.  Maybe it's more normal than I think but I find Barnes's career path a bit strange.  Going from being a successful head coaching position in the GLIAC to an assistant position seems backward to me.  I know Plitzuweit's path was similar, but Merchant and Borseth never took a lesser position in a move.  
         
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          Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:20 PM (permalink)
           
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            Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:33 PM (permalink)
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            Cullop has had a couple of good years at Toledo but a pretty long mediocre run at Evansville.  I don't know the details but her resume doesn't excite me.
             
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              Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:40 PM (permalink)
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              When judging previous head coaching stints, I don't think it's fair to expect someone taking his or her first head coaching job to have immediate success. They have to learn how to be a head coach. To me, Cullop's resume has a very appealing upward trajectory to it (and it's somewhat similar to Brady Hoke's trajectory). I liked what the Swish Appeal person had to say about Cullop in this post:

              As someone who has interviewed many coaches, she by far stands out as she has amazing charisma. Cullop has a presence about her that draws people toward her, she has great leadership qualities.

              She sounds like a very strong candidate, but she would need to hire an assistant with recruiting ties in Michigan (and preferably the Detroit area).
               
              Last year, Cullop received a contract extension through the 2019-2020 season with a base salary of $193,600. I wonder what sort of buyout she has with a contract that long.
               
              At least some Toledo fans don't think she'll leave Toledo yet. See the Would Cullop go to Michigan? fan forum thread.
               
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                Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:26 PM (permalink)
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                FWIW, Goricki, in this article on Gilbert's resignation, claims that Shane Clipfell, associate head coach at MSU and a former EMU assistant, is the front-runner for the WMU job, and he also mentions Plitzuweit as a possible candidate for the EMU job.
                 
                EDIT: Sorry--obviously, I meant to indicate she was a "possible" candidate. Given that the job just opened, it's also obvious that there aren't any official candidates.
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                  Re:Coaching search Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:58 PM (permalink)
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                  Raoul


                  FWIW, Goricki, in this article....... he also mentions Plitzuweit as a candidate for the EMU job.


                  Other candidates _could_ include Michigan associate head coach Dawn Plitzuweit, who guided Grand Valley State to the Division II national title in 2006, Bowling Green associate head coach Jennifer Roos and Detroit assistant Mike Geary.
                   
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                    Re:Coaching search Saturday, April 07, 2012 7:27 PM (permalink)
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                    One further thought on Coach Plitzuweit: McCabe claimed that her succeeding Borseth "appears unlikely now" but that came from someone also claiming "there appeared to be tension between Brandon and Borseth," and to me McCabe seemed to be implying that Brandon wasn't happy with the program and wanted to make a change.
                     
                    But it now appears that Brandon had offered Borseth a contract extension, so apparently he felt the program was headed in the right direction. That, to me, opens up the possibility of Coach Plitzuweit getting the job and being able to carry out what would likely be a very smooth transition.
                     
                    Here's one other person's opinion on this: Chris Solari, who covers MSU women's basketball for the Lansing State Journal, tweeted this on the day Borseth announced his resignation:

                    Expect Michigan to give strong consideration to Borseth's assistant Dawn Plitzuweit, the former Grand Valley State coach.

                     
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                      Re:Coaching search Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:56 PM (permalink)
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                      Regarding Tricia Cullop, I took a look at Toledo's roster and found that, in addition to several players from Ohio and a couple from Indiana, there's also one player from Saugatuck and two sophomores from Detroit Southeastern. In addition, Toledo's 2012 class includes a player from Southfield Lathrop. So, Cullop has had some success recruiting in the state of Michigan.
                       
                      It's also interesting that she has a freshman from Spain on the roster.
                       
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                        Re:Coaching search Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:00 AM (permalink)
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                        I was looking at the current D1 openings, and Michigan and Georgetown are the only major conference jobs currently open. (Boston College has been filled by the coach from Denver).

                        http://espn.go.com/womens...changes-2012-13-season

                        You'd think that we'd have a great pool of candidates looking to move up to a BCS job, especially with the facility upgrades.
                         
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                          Re:Coaching search Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:44 AM (permalink)
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                          I hadn't posted this before, but that list from ESPN reminded me. Shimmy Gray-Miller was let go at St. Louis. As far as I know, Shimmy was our only player alum to ever hold a D1 head coaching position.

                          There are a few former players and managers on D1 staffs. Heather Oesterle is at CMU along with Phil Wendland (manager) who's the DBO. Temple Brown's at Michigan State. Yolanda Cole (manager) is at Florida Atlantic. Former player Darius Taylor from the men's program is on Dawn Staley's staff at South Carolina.

                          I wonder in some ways if the lack of development of players into coaches is a result of the coaching turnover or the lack of success as a program as a whole. When you look at Hutch's coaching tree on the softball side, she's got former players on the staffs at Michigan, Penn State, Indiana, Minnesota, Eastern, Miami Oh, Portland State, etc., off the top of my head. Does it take a winning program or a long-time head coach to plant coaching seeds?
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                            Re:Coaching search Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:58 AM (permalink)
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                            Xavier has had great success having hired a former assistant coach from Notre Dame, who had no former head coaching experience.  I'd think either Barnes or Dawn would be good.  Maybe Stacy the grad assistant, who was a former WNBA player could move up to assistant.  We have some good people, which would give some continuity to a program that has been on the rise.
                            There has been a lot of turnover already in head coaching this year and we would be getting the people no one else wanted to dance with if we go outside the program.
                             
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                              Re:Coaching search Sunday, April 08, 2012 6:22 PM (permalink)
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                              We need some aggressive recruiters.  Doesn't necessarily have to be the head coach, but it helps.  Beilein's recruiting went up considerably when he completely cleaned house and brought in Bacari Alexander and Laval Jordan.
                               
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                                Re:Coaching search Monday, April 09, 2012 5:15 PM (permalink)
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                                We need some aggressive recruiters.  Doesn't necessarily have to be the head coach, but it helps.  Beilein's recruiting went up considerably when he completely cleaned house and brought in Bacari Alexander and Laval Jordan.

                                 
                                Alexander and Jordan were great additions to Beilein's staff, but I'd argue that Jeff Meyer has had more of an impact on the recruiting trail for the men's team. He was the lead recruiter for Glenn Robinson III, Nik Stauskas, Austin Hatch, and Mark Donnal and also played a key role in Michigan landing Trey Burke. Meyer has deep ties to the state of Indiana, which is one reason Beilein has been having so much success recruiting that state.
                                 
                                One thing I'd like to see with the women's team--regardless of who the new head coach turns out to be--is a more diverse coaching staff. And by diverse, I don't mean only in terms of ethnic background, but more importantly more of a diversity in the areas in which the assistants are able to successfully recruit. John Barnes may be a fine coach, but his addition to the staff never made much sense to me from a recruiting standpoint. How many coaches with ties to Michigan Tech do you need on one staff? I realize Borseth was put in a tough spot with the timing of Mike Williams's departure, so his options may have been limited at that point. But looking forward, the new staff needs to have coaches who can land players from the Detroit area--including the city of Detroit itself (and how about landing someone from Detroit Country Day, given the wealth of talent that flows through that school)--and also metro areas in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin--the entire Midwest, essentially. Basically, the new staff needs to have coaches with a variety of established ties to areas throughout the Midwest.
                                 
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                                  Re:Coaching search Monday, April 09, 2012 6:13 PM (permalink)
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                                  Borseth spent nine years in Wisconsin yet he was unable to sign a single player from that state while at Michigan. Plitzuweit spent five years on the west side of this state and four years at UWGB and she was unable to sign any from Wisconsin and signed two from the west side of the state, Hardley (a glorified practice player) and Goree (TBA).

                                  Why was Michigan unable to pull in a Taylor Wurtz, a Samantha Logic or a Destiny Williams with the coaches who had ties to those areas?

                                  On the other hand, Burnett's staff had zero ties to the great lakes region and they were able to pull in kids from Detroit right away. If I remember correctly, Burnett's third class was ranked in the top-25 by recruiting services.

                                  I think it's a crapshoot.

                                   
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                                    Re:Coaching search Monday, April 09, 2012 6:54 PM (permalink)
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                                    Recruiting is hardly a crapshoot. Two key elements are a willingness to put in the long hours that are necessary and having ties to your main recruiting base. David Brandon made it very clear during the football coaching search the importance of being able to recruit the Midwest--and I don't see any reason why he won't take the same approach with the women's basketball job. I'll be shocked if he hires a head coach without any ties to the Midwest.
                                     
                                    Allie Havers, by the way, is also from West Michigan.
                                     
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                                      Re:Coaching search Monday, April 09, 2012 6:57 PM (permalink)
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                                      Burnett's staff certainly put in the very long hours. Of course they were all single without kids, too.

                                      I'm aware of where Havers is from, thanks. She is not yet signed.

                                      P.S. I was at Borseth's hiring press conference. One of the student reporters asked about recruiting Detroit. He was aware of the talent there, but admittedly knew nothing more. He made reference to an old-time open gym where all of the best male players used to spend their time (St. Cecilia's or something?). He seemed very out of touch to me.
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                                        Re:Coaching search Monday, April 09, 2012 10:01 PM (permalink)
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                                        I inadvertently left Jeff Meyer from my list, my main point being that assistants can sometimes be more important than the head coach in recruiting.  Our next year's senior class was good, especially when we had Hollins, but we really have hardly any meaningful minutes from the next two classes.  Elmblad, who originally took a pass on us, started several games but often found the bench early in the game never to be seen again.  Recruiting seemed to be on a downward arc and I wonder how much his blowup video was used against him.
                                         
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