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Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Friday, June 06, 2014 11:06 AM (permalink)
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Last week, the Michigan athletic department admitted what many had long suspected: student football ticket sales are down, way down, from about 21,000 in 2012 to a projected 13,000-14,000 this fall.
 
The department has blamed cell phones, high-definition TV, and a sweeping national trend – but those don’t tell the whole story.
 
How’d Michigan lose so many students so fast?  Answer: a lot of hard work.

 
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Friday, June 06, 2014 1:07 PM (permalink)
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Bacon's point about incessant advertising hurting the live experience is a good one. I went to my first arena football game last Saturday, and, while the game itself was interesting and action-packed, the constant barrage of ads and ad-sponsored fan contests completely took me out of the live experience to the point of never planning to go back. After every series, someone was trying to hit a paper mache mule in the a$$ with a football from the 45th row for $25 towards a new set of snow tires, or letting the starting FB run through them for a free a/c tune-up, and it was such a turn off. Baseball--at least down here--is just as bad as no sports team seems immune to squeezing every last cent out of fans. AFL was worse, though, because indoors there's no place for all that nonsense to dissipate.

STFU and let us watch and enjoy the game.
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Friday, June 06, 2014 2:11 PM (permalink)
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Step 1 in this whole mess is to just simply win games....winning will cure much of the displeasure and fill the stands. But, that won't solve all the attendance issues....Brandon needs to take a step back off his high horse every once in a while, check his ego at the door and make decisions based on what's best for the fans.

That said, Michigan is not alone in this trend...even schools like Alabama (winning football games at an alarming rate) are having trouble getting students to games, preventing late arrivals/early departures etc...

Everyone is in a rush to fix something that isn't broken so that they can say they made bold changes. Same reason the Big 10 is playing their tourney on the east coast, and the Cubs want a jumbotron in left field. If the Cubs win the World Series, then they could play at the Schaumburg softball fields and people would give their right leg to go. And while you want to leverage Michigan Stadium to bring in more revenue for the school, they can't forget about the students. It's a college for f*cks sake. Too many dumbsh*ts in charge.

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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Friday, June 06, 2014 4:11 PM (permalink)
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Have had 2 season tickets since 1981, go to every game. I am now retired and this will probably be my last year, having been priced out of the game. Can still buy tickets in front of Crisler right before kickoff for pennies on the dollar and better seats then my corner end zone ones. Still bleed blue, but the product is now way over priced!
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Saturday, June 07, 2014 9:54 AM (permalink)
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Getting more students to a game is a different animal than the general public.  18-yr. old kids don't do a lot of things they used to do and apparently a Michigan game is just another one of those.  That's why the 18-24 demographic is the most elusive for advertisers.  If it doesn't involve some form of mobile electronics kids aren't interested.  Adding an interactive element to the game day experience would help but Brandon has managed to not only alienate the students, he's also alienated the older crowd.  You know, the other 90,000 that spend the real dollars?  As a footnote, I find it comical that the students surveyed said being with their friends was their #1 interest.  What they meant by "being with their friends" is the ability to text someone, post on FB and Twitter, or SnapChat and InstaGram each other, all during the game and typically while they're sitting next to each other.  Introduce an interactive element that utilizes these social phenomenons and they'll come.  Joe 6 Pack is a different deal.  He wants to watch a game and enjoy the college experience.  But $8 hot dogs and 5$ waters and 25$ for parking to watch App. St. isn't real appealing and when you throw in the fact that we're basically a .500 team since 2008 and you get what we've got.  Having Brandon in the mix is the other X factor that's not helping whatsoever.  Wrong time, wrong place, wrong guy.
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Saturday, June 07, 2014 2:41 PM (permalink)
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I find it so comical that people think Brandon is doing a terrible job as AD. He is dining a fine job. He was brought in to make money (and to match other departments across the country) and he has done just that. Before we heard "Michigan is a blue blood! They have the largest alumni base in the country! The biggest stadium! And yet they are not among the leaders in money!" Now that we are we hear people complaining about it

This is not a Michigan thing. The big programs across the country have been doing this for years. Now, is college football in general reaching its breaking point? That's the real question.
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Saturday, June 07, 2014 4:01 PM (permalink)
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Good point bighouse
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Saturday, June 07, 2014 10:40 PM (permalink)
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I find it so comical that people think Brandon is doing a terrible job as AD. He is dining a fine job. He was brought in to make money (and to match other departments across the country) and he has done just that. Before we heard "Michigan is a blue blood! They have the largest alumni base in the country! The biggest stadium! And yet they are not among the leaders in money!" Now that we are we hear people complaining about it

This is not a Michigan thing. The big programs across the country have been doing this for years. Now, is college football in general reaching its breaking point? That's the real question.

 
Totally disagree.  I thought DB would be great but he's a pompous arse.
 
As Bacon pointed out, Don Canham was a millionaire before he became AD.  He was a great businessman but he had enough sense to realize Michigan Football was something special - mystical, experiences no one will forget and AFFORDABLE.  Yes, I can afford his crazy prices but since everything has a price tag on it as John U. said, I have opted to watch most UM games on television.
 
I'm totally for the free enterprise system but Michigan Football is not a true commercial venture.  Those who realized it, succeeded; those who don't will fail.
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Saturday, June 07, 2014 11:07 PM (permalink)
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I find it so comical that people think Brandon is doing a terrible job as AD. He is dining a fine job. He was brought in to make money (and to match other departments across the country) and he has done just that. Before we heard "Michigan is a blue blood! They have the largest alumni base in the country! The biggest stadium! And yet they are not among the leaders in money!" Now that we are we hear people complaining about it

This is not a Michigan thing. The big programs across the country have been doing this for years. Now, is college football in general reaching its breaking point? That's the real question.


Totally disagree.  I thought DB would be great but he's a pompous arse.

As Bacon pointed out, Don Canham was a millionaire before he became AD.  He was a great businessman but he had enough sense to realize Michigan Football was something special - mystical, experiences no one will forget and AFFORDABLE.  Yes, I can afford his crazy prices but since everything has a price tag on it as John U. said, I have opted to watch most UM games on television.

I'm totally for the free enterprise system but Michigan Football is not a true commercial venture.  Those who realized it, succeeded; those who don't will fail.

 
you missed BHF's point, which was that cfb in general is becoming this way, it's not exclusive to UM FB.  as UM fans, we might get pissed off, but the majority of fans across the nation feel similarly.  I'm not related to brandon, but it's not totally fair to compare him to ADs in different eras
 
 



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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Saturday, June 07, 2014 11:45 PM (permalink)
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CFB all going downhill? Tell that to Ohio State fans!

I didn't miss his point. Btw, why is it unfair to compare ADs from modern times??

Losing and high prices don't mix. You can only gouge so much.
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Sunday, June 08, 2014 12:25 PM (permalink)
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When the argument is "it's happening everywhere" and "everybody else is doing it" I tune out.  That's what people say when they have nothing else to say.  The fact is, Brandon has a problem on his hands and he doesn't know what to do about it.  Blaming a 65" TV doesn't cut it.
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Sunday, June 08, 2014 12:45 PM (permalink)
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I'd rather an athletic director come in and put out a quality produce on the football field first, and make money second.  Not flub up coaching searches that make us look like a laughing stock.
 
 
How much money the University of Michigan is making has no impact on my daily life.  Sorry if that upsets people, but that's just reality.

 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:36 PM (permalink)
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CFB all going downhill? Tell that to Ohio State fans!

I didn't miss his point. Btw, why is it unfair to compare ADs from modern times??

Losing and high prices don't mix. You can only gouge so much.

Very well said.
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 8:45 AM (permalink)
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Ok, I'm looking at my wall in my office right now where all of my ticket stubs are prominently displayed (they pretty much take up an entire wall).  Here's a sample of what I see:
 
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 1999 was $13.50 (student ticket)
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2003 was $51.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2011 was $85.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2013 was $95.00
 
Parking at the golf course for this same time period went from $20 in 1999, to $35 in 2003, to $50 in 2011 and 2013.
 
So  what cost me $33.50 to see in 1999 cost me $145.00 in 2013. Granted, I was student back then. Even so, my 2003 ticket and parking was a total of $86.00. Oh, and I had to pay a seat license fee on top of that last season.  I'm pretty sure inflation was not 200%+ over that same ten year period. 
 
Dave, you have squeezed out the little guy. You can blame the students, but 10 years ago you had a waiting list that was decades long....now you have to include hot dogs, hats and T-shirts to get people in the door to see a mediocre product with a subpar schedule. How's that working out for you?
 
 
Every day you get up for work, just remember that we are all Dave Brandon's hoes.
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 9:09 AM (permalink)
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Ok, I'm looking at my wall in my office right now where all of my ticket stubs are prominently displayed (they pretty much take up an entire wall).  Here's a sample of what I see:

My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 1999 was $13.50 (student ticket)
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2003 was $51.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2011 was $85.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2013 was $95.00

Parking at the golf course for this same time period went from $20 in 1999, to $35 in 2003, to $50 in 2011 and 2013.

So  what cost me $33.50 to see in 1999 cost me $145.00 in 2013. Granted, I was student back then. Even so, my 2003 ticket and parking was a total of $86.00. Oh, and I had to pay a seat license fee on top of that last season.  I'm pretty sure inflation was not 200%+ over that same ten year period. 

Dave, you have squeezed out the little guy. You can blame the students, but 10 years ago you had a waiting list that was decades long....now you have to include hot dogs, hats and T-shirts to get people in the door to see a mediocre product with a subpar schedule. How's that working out for you?



 
There it is.  Well done.
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 10:23 AM (permalink)
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Ok, I'm looking at my wall in my office right now where all of my ticket stubs are prominently displayed (they pretty much take up an entire wall).  Here's a sample of what I see:

My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 1999 was $13.50 (student ticket)
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2003 was $51.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2011 was $85.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2013 was $95.00

Parking at the golf course for this same time period went from $20 in 1999, to $35 in 2003, to $50 in 2011 and 2013.

So  what cost me $33.50 to see in 1999 cost me $145.00 in 2013. Granted, I was student back then. Even so, my 2003 ticket and parking was a total of $86.00. Oh, and I had to pay a seat license fee on top of that last season.  I'm pretty sure inflation was not 200%+ over that same ten year period. 

Dave, you have squeezed out the little guy. You can blame the students, but 10 years ago you had a waiting list that was decades long....now you have to include hot dogs, hats and T-shirts to get people in the door to see a mediocre product with a subpar schedule. How's that working out for you?




 
Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!!!!
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 10:57 AM (permalink)
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Ok, I'm looking at my wall in my office right now where all of my ticket stubs are prominently displayed (they pretty much take up an entire wall).  Here's a sample of what I see:

My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 1999 was $13.50 (student ticket)
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2003 was $51.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2011 was $85.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2013 was $95.00

Parking at the golf course for this same time period went from $20 in 1999, to $35 in 2003, to $50 in 2011 and 2013.

So  what cost me $33.50 to see in 1999 cost me $145.00 in 2013. Granted, I was student back then. Even so, my 2003 ticket and parking was a total of $86.00. Oh, and I had to pay a seat license fee on top of that last season.  I'm pretty sure inflation was not 200%+ over that same ten year period. 

Dave, you have squeezed out the little guy. You can blame the students, but 10 years ago you had a waiting list that was decades long....now you have to include hot dogs, hats and T-shirts to get people in the door to see a mediocre product with a subpar schedule. How's that working out for you?




From the article: "Brandon’s budget also includes his million-dollar salary, three times what Bill Martin paid himself, plus A $300,000 annual bonus –adding to a 62-percent increase in administrator compensation; A 225-percent increase in “marketing, promotions and ticketing”; and a 500-percent increase in “Hosting, Food and Special Events.”

Plus, Saban just signed a deal for $55M. Calipari just signed a deal for $52M. THAT'S why...

Go Blue!!

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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 11:29 AM (permalink)
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Uferfan's right on target, only this syndrome is not restricted to the Athletic Department- college costs overall have far outstripped inflation for years.  When I look at the current costs for the five undergraduate schools my four kids attended since 1995 (Colorado College, Michigan-out of state, of course, Kenyon, and Butler/LIU, full pay at all of them if you can imagine), I'm not sure we could handle the costs if we had to do it over again today.  The true value of particularly a liberal arts education is up for debate these days.  
Sorry to be a bit off thread, but this hit a hot button for me.  I truly believe that we are actually sending too many of our kids to college to gain skills that they will not have a use for in the working world.  As a manufacturer, I'd rather have someone who can set up a modern CNC machine than someone with yet another BBA or MBA.  We need both, of course, but the proportions are 'way off these days.
As for DB- he needs to remember that supply and demand applies in this market too.
 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 11:32 AM (permalink)
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Well not only have salaries risen, the size of the athletic department has ballooned in the last 3-5 years. The number of staffers started increasing under Martin and has only grown under DB. Another reason why I balk when schools cite rising athletic budget expenses and how expensive things are.
 
It's turning into the athletic industrial complex.
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Ok, I'm looking at my wall in my office right now where all of my ticket stubs are prominently displayed (they pretty much take up an entire wall).  Here's a sample of what I see:

My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 1999 was $13.50 (student ticket)
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2003 was $51.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2011 was $85.00
My Ohio State/Michigan ticket in 2013 was $95.00

Parking at the golf course for this same time period went from $20 in 1999, to $35 in 2003, to $50 in 2011 and 2013.

So  what cost me $33.50 to see in 1999 cost me $145.00 in 2013. Granted, I was student back then. Even so, my 2003 ticket and parking was a total of $86.00. Oh, and I had to pay a seat license fee on top of that last season.  I'm pretty sure inflation was not 200%+ over that same ten year period. 

Dave, you have squeezed out the little guy. You can blame the students, but 10 years ago you had a waiting list that was decades long....now you have to include hot dogs, hats and T-shirts to get people in the door to see a mediocre product with a subpar schedule. How's that working out for you?




From the article: "Brandon’s budget also includes his million-dollar salary, three times what Bill Martin paid himself, plus A $300,000 annual bonus –adding to a 62-percent increase in administrator compensation; A 225-percent increase in “marketing, promotions and ticketing”; and a 500-percent increase in “Hosting, Food and Special Events.”

Plus, Saban just signed a deal for $55M. Calipari just signed a deal for $52M. THAT'S why...

Go Blue!!


 
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Re:Bacon- The real reasons why people are bailing on Michigan football tickets Monday, June 09, 2014 1:10 PM (permalink)
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I sometimes feel like I'm covering the fall of the Roman empire 
 
Things are reaching a breaking point. I think the tax deduction for donating to athletics will soon disappear. The big donors and even the seat licenses depend on the write-off to justify the cash outlay. And then the house of cards will come tumbling down.
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