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Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Friday, May 06, 2011 11:41 AM (permalink)
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I used to feel the same way TK, they're all the same, repubs and dems.  Now I am an officer at a small bank and know just how intrusive government can be.  The past few years  the Federal Government has done unbelievable harm to institutions like mine while labeling our competition (which caused a least part of the financial meltdown) "to big to fail".  Tell me another time when the Federal Government has determined winners an losers in the supposed "free market."  They are imposing new rules on all banks every day, but a small bank has to spend a fortune in time and money to comply with rules that nobody can understand or interpret thanks to Sen Dodd and Rep Frank.  There is a huge difference between the two parties and it is more evident now than ever.

And what is wrong with the Repubs being pro business?  Those evil businesses that are only there because of greedy rich guys, employ a lot of people.  The bigger and more profitable they get, the more people they employ.  I hope my board of directors get rich, that means I have a job and my business can expand giving me more opportunity.  I'll never understand the problem with being pro business. 

And just because you want to change a system (medicare, ss) that is going to bankrupt the country does not make you an extremist, it makes you a realist.  I respect your football opinions, you are one of the people on this board I put the most stock in, but when it comes to unions and politics you need to re-examine your premisses.

This isn't about 'pro business'.  Who isn't pro business?  This is about big business gone wild while we, the taxpayer pick, up the tab.  There IS a difference. I'm sorry your small bank is paying a fortune to comply with "new" rules but your brethren played a big part in the subprime mortgage crisis in this country and they were getting fat at the trough like everybody else.  Of course, a pig gets fat and a hog gets slaughtered.  But hey, let's deregulate big business even more.  Letting Wall Street run wild has worked so well for companies like Enron and AIG, so why not?  (I REALLY want you to tell me that what Enron was doing was ok because it's 'pro business'.)  And it's ok that the price of gas has NOTHING to do with supply & demand (considering our supply right now is at a 19 year high) and EVERYTHING to do with oil speculation.  And who are they?  MorganStanley, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, and the list of big banks and big business goes on.   Is this the 'pro business' you speak of?  The simple fact is, it doesn't matter if you're a Republican, Democrat or Indy, (like me) unless you're a millionaire and then some, the ladders are up for you and me and there aren't enough life boats to go around.  They are ALL bought and paid for and they don't give a squirt of pi$$ about you.  They have your loyalty, they own your vote, and to thank you they tax the s*** out of you.  How's that working out for you?  Let me know-  I'll be busy re-examining my premises.

 
 
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    Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Friday, May 06, 2011 2:25 PM (permalink)
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    When I say pro business I mean policies that stay out of the way of business growth, and I think you know that.  What Enron did was illegal and the perps died in jail.  What AIG did was poor business and they should have been left to fail when the sh!t hit the fan along with a bunch of other "to big to fails".  All I'm saying is keep government out of the way and stop making policies that make it difficult for the private sector to grow.
     
    And oil speculators have EVERYTHING to do with supply and demand, it's just future supply and demand.  The prices could be brought down very quickly.  If Obama were to announce that the government is granting all domestic leases off the coasts and in Alaska, the future price of oil would go down because supply would likely increase in the future.  Supply and demand on a global scale.
     
    I guess I'm not following your logic with regards to the tax code.  All I hear is Dems wanting to raise the taxes and Repubs saying the public is taxed enough.  And I agree they don't give a pi$$ about me, but I'll keep playing the game no matter how many times they change the rules and i intend to win.  I'm just going to vote for the people that at least say they want to keep the government out of my way and keep the rules (the constitution) at least somewhat consistent.
     
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      Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Friday, May 06, 2011 6:10 PM (permalink)
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      When I say pro business I mean policies that stay out of the way of business growth, and I think you know that.  What Enron did was illegal and the perps died in jail.  What AIG did was poor business and they should have been left to fail when the sh!t hit the fan along with a bunch of other "to big to fails".  All I'm saying is keep government out of the way and stop making policies that make it difficult for the private sector to grow.

      And oil speculators have EVERYTHING to do with supply and demand, it's just future supply and demand.  The prices could be brought down very quickly.  If Obama were to announce that the government is granting all domestic leases off the coasts and in Alaska, the future price of oil would go down because supply would likely increase in the future.  Supply and demand on a global scale.

      I guess I'm not following your logic with regards to the tax code.  All I hear is Dems wanting to raise the taxes and Repubs saying the public is taxed enough.  And I agree they don't give a pi$$ about me, but I'll keep playing the game no matter how many times they change the rules and i intend to win.  I'm just going to vote for the people that at least say they want to keep the government out of my way and keep the rules (the constitution) at least somewhat consistent.

      Ahhh, the ol drill, drill, drill to bring down the price of gas routine  This is an issue that has foreign and security policy implications so I actually have a horse in the race 
       
      The myth that increased off shore drilling will significantly reduce the price of gas is one of the biggest myths floating around. The United States is in possession of an estimated 2% of oil reserves on the globe. Even if we pump out every last bit of that 2%, the price of gas WILL NOT significantly decrease. I would call off shore drilling a stop gap but it's not even that. It's more akin to trying to dam up a river using a piece of gum.
       
      Please inform yourself
      http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/05/06/debunking-a-few-myths-about-oil-and-gas-prices/
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        Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Friday, May 06, 2011 8:59 PM (permalink)
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        Excuse me, but wtf happened?  Are we really that divided as a society that we went from recollecting 9/11 and appreciating that the world's most wanted terrorist was brought to justice to arguing about politics?  In 3 pages? 
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          Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Saturday, May 07, 2011 10:19 AM (permalink)
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          Excuse me, but wtf happened?  Are we really that divided as a society that we went from recollecting 9/11 and appreciating that the world's most wanted terrorist was brought to justice to arguing about politics?  In 3 pages? 

           
          I guess that's what having disingenuous politicians (in BOTH parties) running this country will do?! 
           
          TK, you took the words right out of my mouth.  The government kept their noses out of Wall Street and look what happened?  It took our taxpayer dollars to fund a HUGE bailout of many of the world's largest financial institutions.  And what was worse was to see that many of the leaders of those financial institutions who failed miserably in leading said companies, still found it in their hearts to use a portion of the bail-out money to fund the 6 figure bonuses of upper management because we all know they deserved it and we all know how difficult it is to make ends meet without the assurance of those 6 figure bonuses?! 
           
          And also, thank you MichFan for dispelling the myth of the argument I always hear from conservatives defending big oil and how they are raping us at the pumps while they make record breaking 70% profits to the tunes of hundreds of billions of dollars per QUARTER!

           

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            Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:25 PM (permalink)
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            GABlue


            When I say pro business I mean policies that stay out of the way of business growth, and I think you know that.  What Enron did was illegal and the perps died in jail.  What AIG did was poor business and they should have been left to fail when the sh!t hit the fan along with a bunch of other "to big to fails".  All I'm saying is keep government out of the way and stop making policies that make it difficult for the private sector to grow.

            And oil speculators have EVERYTHING to do with supply and demand, it's just future supply and demand.  The prices could be brought down very quickly.  If Obama were to announce that the government is granting all domestic leases off the coasts and in Alaska, the future price of oil would go down because supply would likely increase in the future.  Supply and demand on a global scale.

            I guess I'm not following your logic with regards to the tax code.  All I hear is Dems wanting to raise the taxes and Repubs saying the public is taxed enough.  And I agree they don't give a pi$$ about me, but I'll keep playing the game no matter how many times they change the rules and i intend to win.  I'm just going to vote for the people that at least say they want to keep the government out of my way and keep the rules (the constitution) at least somewhat consistent.

            Ahhh, the ol drill, drill, drill to bring down the price of gas routine  This is an issue that has foreign and security policy implications so I actually have a horse in the race 

            The myth that increased off shore drilling will significantly reduce the price of gas is one of the biggest myths floating around. The United States is in possession of an estimated 2% of oil reserves on the globe. Even if we pump out every last bit of that 2%, the price of gas WILL NOT significantly decrease. I would call off shore drilling a stop gap but it's not even that. It's more akin to trying to dam up a river using a piece of gum.

            Please inform yourself
            http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2011/05/06/debunking-a-few-myths-about-oil-and-gas-prices/

             

            Maybe we all should stick to football!
             
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            <message edited by UMWingedHelmet on Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:48 PM>
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              Re:A bigger story- BIN LADEN DEAD Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:38 PM (permalink)
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              Maybe we all should stick to football!

              Go Blue!

               
              Maybe the best post from this thread! 
               
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