Wolverines choose to not attend event

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (TK23Blue)

Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:25:39 GMT

goblue96

TK23Blue

Because the agendas of the "non-Rods" is transparent and every little thing he says or does will be questioned and then answered with, "See! Told you so!"

Only as transparent as the "pro-Rods" who already believe the man walks on water and no one can question anything he does.

Predictable. But you'll have to point out where I said he walks on water and no one can question anything he does. When he loses a game there will be plenty of questions for him to answer, just like LC, Moeller, Bo, etc . Of course, the only problem is the fact that he hasn't coached a single game yet so we may as well whine about golf outings, car washes, lemonade stands, garage sales and Girl Scout cookies. That makes a lot of sense.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (scmgoblue)

Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:51:55 GMT

This whole discussion is ridiculous... ridiculous. Let's not simple little things like facts get in the way here, let's only spin it to support a pre-formed opinion of the guy. It's already tiring and we haven't played one single snap of football. Enough.

From Brian at mgoblog, who was at the Big 10 media days covering the press conferences, etc:

Clarification: The stuff about Michigan hating children by ducking out of Lamarr Woodley's golf this is a miscommunication and they'll be there next year.

Much like the jersey nonsense, this is a complete and utter non-issue. People who are looking for any and every reason to rip on the guy take opportunities like this to shun things like logic and decide that there is only one clear explanation for these situations. That makes tons of sense.

I just cannot get over how willing the media and certain segments of this fanbase are to jump all over Rodriguez's case for things that are either mis-reported, mis-construed, or the slightest bit different than what they've come to know over the past 10 to 20 years (or more). Does the fact that some of us manage to see other explanations for these situations make us completely biased homers? No, it means that we'll wait until things like actual facts get reported and full details are passed along before passing judgment. I suggest a few people here start subscribing to this tactic.

People have been begging for change in this program for the last 7 years, now they finally get it, and when the guy has the GALL to do things differently, they go off the deep end about the downfall of Michigan football. It doesn't work that way. People are so set in their opinions that they simply react to stories like this one rather than think about it for a few minutes.

PATIENCE is the order of the day, it applies to ALL of us. Everyone here is so quick to judge and so quick to play PR pro that it's just laughable. Does it look bad? OF course it does, is anyone denying that? What media outlet is going to pass on the opportunity to put a Rodriguez story out there right now? Particularly a negative one? It'll garner readers and it grabs attention, which is exactly what they're in business for is it not? So does Rodriguez go looking for bad PR? No, he doesn't have to, because the slightest blip on the radar right now is being reported as Rodriguez tearing down the house that Bo built. You know it, I know it, and for whatever reason, people are eating it up. Is this event part of some horrible scheme to bring down the morals of society by Rodriguez? You'd think so by some of the reactions on here. Nevermind that it appears that he wasn't even contacted regarding the event until two days prior to the event....

Rodriguez deserves the opportunity and the TIME to make this program his own and to build it in the way he sees fit. We owe him the patience to give him the time to accomplish those things before we start to pass off wild judgment. Particularly when the judgment is based upon world changing events like how captains are handled, who gets what number, and the fact that there was poor communication regarding Michigan player participation in a charity event.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (Harbaugh04)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:43:46 GMT

goblue96

coaches are the second coming of christ until they lose. Until they lose, they can do no wrong and we must blindly follow them and whatever they say and do.

It works for buckeye fans lol

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (goblue96)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:53:30 GMT

Sorry, I forgot that coaches are the second coming of christ until they lose. Until they lose, they can do no wrong and we must blindly follow them and whatever they say and do.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (BigBlue06)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:26:49 GMT

goblue96

TK23Blue

Because the agendas of the "non-Rods" is transparent and every little thing he says or does will be questioned and then answered with, "See! Told you so!"

Only as transparent as the "pro-Rods" who already believe the man walks on water and no one can question anything he does.

I wouldn't call us "pro-Rods" but rather people who give people a freaken chance to show what he can do on the field. No one said he walks on water, we're just giving him the benefit of the doubt. What he if goes down as one of the most winning coaches that UM has ever had? Are you still going to say that we're "pro-Rods?" Don't be so closed-minded all the time and give the guy a chance. If he has losing seasons, changes the fight song, dare I say uniforms, or any other major/significant tradition then you have reason to whine, cry, and moan. Until that happens give this guy a chance!

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (Wolverine4Life)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:35:07 GMT

I don't think it makes someone inherently pro-Rod because they defend him from people who constantly bash him. There have been many bad things said about him (mostly in the press and on this forum) and many good things said about him (from just about every interview from the players and staff on the team). I just thing that if the people closest to him think he is a good guy, I can give him a chance to settle into the job before I decide he should be fired and we should bring Carr back.

And if he really did not know about the event, which seems plausible, how can he be blamed for that? He did not know about the #1 scholarship, and when he found out he fixed the situation. This is the same thing. I have not heard about any other charity events he has skipped. And if you think it would have made good press you are kidding yourself. You don't get good press for something you are expected to do. Especially Michigan football.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (MJackson)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:45:20 GMT

goblue96

TK23Blue

Because the agendas of the "non-Rods" is transparent and every little thing he says or does will be questioned and then answered with, "See! Told you so!"

Only as transparent as the "pro-Rods" who already believe the man walks on water and no one can question anything he does.

good idea. Rather than try to support RR and give him a few years before we pass judgment, let's just beat him down and criticize ANYTHING we find objectionable.

BTW, would you like to start a fire RR website?

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (goblue96)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:13:09 GMT

TK23Blue

Because the agendas of the "non-Rods" is transparent and every little thing he says or does will be questioned and then answered with, "See! Told you so!"

Only as transparent as the "pro-Rods" who already believe the man walks on water and no one can question anything he does.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (kentuckywolverine)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:41:07 GMT

goblue96, I just think you are making way too big of a deal out of this. I haven't seen much bad press from this, one or two articles isn't that bad.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (TK23Blue)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:40:56 GMT

First of all, Rodriguez didn't even know about it and none of the players came to him to ask if they could participate. Secondly, it wouldn't have generated "good press" if he DID go. Nobody cares about that-doing anything good is a non-story. The funny thing is, this forum has made a bigger deal out of it than even The Detroit Free Press. Why? Because the agendas of the "non-Rods" is transparent and every little thing he says or does will be questioned and then answered with, "See! Told you so!"

Don't you think if this were such a big deal, Lloyd Carr would have approached Rodriguez and said: "Look, this is an important event and we need to participate every year". I highly doubt Rodriguez would have just blown Carr, and the event, off.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (goblue96)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:09:54 GMT

MJackson

goblue96

Ask yourself this question: is going to set the program lightyears if three or four player miss one day of "pre-season"? Keep in mind, the only the players can do right now is supervised conditioning. I don't care if "Fortress Rodriguez" or "Country Club Carr" is running the program, the players should have been there.

you're right. from now on RR should ask you how he should run the program, because you obviously know the best thing to do at ALL times. hell, miss football games as well, they should be working at charities EVERYDAY for that matter

Where the hell did I say that Rodriguez should check with me on how the program should be run. It's the damn pre-season not practice not game. It is that damn hard for three players out of a 100 to miss one day of pre-season.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (goblue96)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:03:25 GMT

kentuckywolverine

goblue96

the players should have been there.

Why? I want you to explain to me why. I agree that one workout day would not have catastrophic ramifacations on the FB program this year but is missing one charity event really gonna do the same to our reputation in the state? C'mon man, get real. Only Sparty believes that kind of crap.

Why? Because it generates good press something which the program has lacked for the last year from losing to App. State to trying to hiring a new coach to Rodriguez's lawsuit with WVU. There has not been a lot good press. Finally, there is the chance for good press and it gets turned into to bad press because it's too inconvenient for three football players to take a day off from off-season conditioning to attend a charity event.

Missing one event may not damage Michigan's reputation in the state but the cumulative effect of missing an event here and some bad press there it starts to erode Michigan's reputation.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (wolverines22)

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT

I look at this and compare it to the last rose bowl. The players all went to a childrens hospital to visit the kids, which I do think is a very good and nice thing to do, but maybe they should have been preparing for the game instead, like say USC probably was doing, since they seemed to have more then just a plan A for that game. (of course they also went to the beach and the comedy clubs)
I think it is a good thing for the players to do charity events, but I think football should come first and if the coaches feel they should be working out/practicing then I am fine with that.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (kentuckywolverine)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:12:47 GMT

goblue96

the players should have been there.

Why? I want you to explain to me why. I agree that one workout day would not have catastrophic ramifacations on the FB program this year but is missing one charity event really gonna do the same to our reputation in the state? C'mon man, get real. Only Sparty believes that kind of crap.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (MJackson)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:35:01 GMT

goblue96

Ask yourself this question: is going to set the program lightyears if three or four player miss one day of "pre-season"? Keep in mind, the only the players can do right now is supervised conditioning. I don't care if "Fortress Rodriguez" or "Country Club Carr" is running the program, the players should have been there.

you're right. from now on RR should ask you how he should run the program, because you obviously know the best thing to do at ALL times. hell, miss football games as well, they should be working at charities EVERYDAY for that matter

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (goblue96)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:45:15 GMT

Ask yourself this question: is going to set the program lightyears if three or four player miss one day of "pre-season"? Keep in mind, the only the players can do right now is supervised conditioning. I don't care if "Fortress Rodriguez" or "Country Club Carr" is running the program, the players should have been there.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (MJackson)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:31:40 GMT

migoblu

I agree with PhilC. What's next, no Thursday visits to Mott's?

scenario one/current scenario: RR doesn't attend an event in an attempt to prepare a young team for a season in which EVERYONE will have their eyes on, and people will complain and whine

scenario two: RR attends the event and, God forbid, loses the opener to Utah, and the SAME people will say, "well, he COULD have prepared his team for a few more days, rather than trying to please everyone. Maybe he should have learned from Carr and the App St. debacle and tried to avoid it"

I swear, some people never cease to amaze me. they want to attack each and everything about someone before they even give him/her a chance. the man hasn't coached a down of football yet, yet some people want to throw him under the bus for trying to make his team ready

I understand some people, Phil included, aren't exactly crazy about RR, and that's okay. everyone has their own opinion. But damn, give him a year or two, before we pass a final judgment on him. if he's CONTINUALLY avoiding these things, I could see your point. But just this one thing?

besides, didn't he go out of his way to assemble the 1969 team to speak to the current team, to try to inspire them? that was done rather early after he was hired. RR is trying real hard to fit in and embrace the traditions and rituals associated with the team and the university, but it'll take a year or two. hopefully after that, things will be smooth sailing. but for now, the entire country is anxious to see a new, completely different UM program, and RR is trying hard to get it started on the right foot

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (migoblu)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:00:40 GMT

I agree with PhilC. What's next, no Thursday visits to Mott's?

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (Wolverine4Life)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:17:28 GMT

This really doesn't bother me. There are plenty of opportunities for charity events. I feel like I am an the minority, but I think maybe we should give him a chance before we go all Joe Tiller on him.

Re:Wolverines choose to not attend event (UMWingedHelmet)

Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:47:23 GMT

While TK23Blue and I couldn't disagree more on politics, it seems everything he writes about football he is dead-on right.

I find his posts more than entertaining - they also are insightful and truthful.

Also, it does seem that Lloyd could help out the new coach by guiding him to what is an important event and what is not.