Smoking Ban?

RE: Smoking Ban? (wolverines22)

Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:04 GMT

I believe goblueintexas was stating that not wanting to go to into a smokey bar to avoid cancer, doesn't apply to him, since he already dips which puts him in danger of getting mouth cancer.
Not speaking for goblueintexas, that is just how I read it.

RE: Smoking Ban? (The Girl)

Tue, 13 May 2008 22:52:59 GMT

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: goblueinTexas

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!! Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

So I am 28, and I like to go to a bar and have some beers with friends and watch a game, thus giving up my right to stay cancer free by not inhaling someone elses smoke? Not to mention the raunchy smell that my clothes carry. I chew tobacco, so the cancer comment doesn't apply to me, but it does to everyone else who is around it. I don't mind having areas outside designated for smokers, but not all of us want to smell it or get the side effects from it. A lot of places in the Dallas area have banned it, and the places that still allow it, i have stopped going to.

You can't get cancer from chew? You sure about that?

News to this guy:

RE: Smoking Ban? (The Girl)

Tue, 13 May 2008 22:51:50 GMT

My Bad.

RE: Smoking Ban? (The Girl)

Tue, 13 May 2008 22:49:38 GMT

Tried to delete - didn't work.

RE: Smoking Ban? (TK23Blue)

Tue, 13 May 2008 22:13:47 GMT

ORIGINAL: goblueinTexas

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!! Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

So I am 28, and I like to go to a bar and have some beers with friends and watch a game, thus giving up my right to stay cancer free by not inhaling someone elses smoke? Not to mention the raunchy smell that my clothes carry. I chew tobacco, so the cancer comment doesn't apply to me, but it does to everyone else who is around it. I don't mind having areas outside designated for smokers, but not all of us want to smell it or get the side effects from it. A lot of places in the Dallas area have banned it, and the places that still allow it, i have stopped going to.

You can't get cancer from chew? You sure about that?

RE: Smoking Ban? (Harbaugh04)

Tue, 13 May 2008 19:43:44 GMT

ORIGINAL: goblueinTexas

And to say don't go if you don't like smoke is about as 3rd grade reply as possible. I guarantee that non-smokers make up more of the paying public than smokers, so they would lose money if we stopped going! Can I spit my tobacco on you when I need too?

Im talking about bars not public places or restaurants

Why is it a 3rd grade reply?
I dont like say chinese food... So I dont go to Magic Wok lol... I shouldnt go to a smokey bar, cause I dont like smoke, right?
Now If YOU open a place where you aloud people to spit tobacco on each other lol, Im not going to go there either.. Its freedom of choice...
My point is that you shouldnt have any goverment come down on a privately owned place and make rules on them.. Like what ohowihate Ohio State said "Another step in the direction of Socialism" What should happen is someone should open a non-smoking bar get more people to go and make more money thats what we call Capitalism

RE: Smoking Ban? (goblueinTexas)

Mon, 12 May 2008 10:44:16 GMT

People who don't smoke have to deal with the secondary causes of others smoking. If I get drunk and drive and kill someone, then oh well? When you are affecting someone that does not want to be affected, then it is not okay. And to say don't go if you don't like smoke is about as 3rd grade reply as possible. I guarantee that non-smokers make up more of the paying public than smokers, so they would lose money if we stopped going! Can I spit my tobacco on you when I need too?

RE: Smoking Ban? (goblueinTexas)

Mon, 12 May 2008 10:20:24 GMT

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!! Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

So I am 28, and I like to go to a bar and have some beers with friends and watch a game, thus giving up my right to stay cancer free by not inhaling someone elses smoke? Not to mention the raunchy smell that my clothes carry. I chew tobacco, so the cancer comment doesn't apply to me, but it does to everyone else who is around it. I don't mind having areas outside designated for smokers, but not all of us want to smell it or get the side effects from it. A lot of places in the Dallas area have banned it, and the places that still allow it, i have stopped going to.

RE: Smoking Ban? (TK23Blue)

Sun, 11 May 2008 14:47:17 GMT

ORIGINAL: zjgm02

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

Facts? How many do you want? Here, I'll let you do it and I'll even help you. Go to Google and punch in 'Is nicotine more addicitive than heroin'. You'll find 10,000 articles, from some pretty reasonable sources like, Johns-Hopkins, Georgetown University and the list is a mile long. Do your own homework son-I'm tired.

Come on, you can do better than that. A google of that term actually yielded 647,000 results, the first few pages of which trumpeted the claim uncritically at face value. I did read some of Henningfield's study. Unfortunately, he administered nicotine through an IV, which while it may prove the physiological effects of nicotine and even support the "addictive" claim is not really relevant to the smoking of cigarettes, at least not until packs of butts start coming with needles. When I claim nicotine is not addictive for most, I obviously mean in the form of cigarettes or dip. Most of the results were for anti-smoking websites, which are hardly objective.

Perhaps the study really proves what it sets out to prove and my issues are purely semantic, but it would make a lot more sense to me if Henningfield had administered each drug the way in which it is administered by the user.

Before you jump to any conclusions, I am far from an apologist for the tobacco industry. I am just tired of seeing junk science used to support political agenda.

Agree 100%. Jeez, I think I need a smoke.

RE: Smoking Ban? (zjgm02)

Sun, 11 May 2008 13:07:54 GMT

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

Facts? How many do you want? Here, I'll let you do it and I'll even help you. Go to Google and punch in 'Is nicotine more addicitive than heroin'. You'll find 10,000 articles, from some pretty reasonable sources like, Johns-Hopkins, Georgetown University and the list is a mile long. Do your own homework son-I'm tired.

Come on, you can do better than that. A google of that term actually yielded 647,000 results, the first few pages of which trumpeted the claim uncritically at face value. I did read some of Henningfield's study. Unfortunately, he administered nicotine through an IV, which while it may prove the physiological effects of nicotine and even support the "addictive" claim is not really relevant to the smoking of cigarettes, at least not until packs of butts start coming with needles. When I claim nicotine is not addictive for most, I obviously mean in the form of cigarettes or dip. Most of the results were for anti-smoking websites, which are hardly objective.

Perhaps the study really proves what it sets out to prove and my issues are purely semantic, but it would make a lot more sense to me if Henningfield had administered each drug the way in which it is administered by the user.

Before you jump to any conclusions, I am far from an apologist for the tobacco industry. I am just tired of seeing junk science used to support political agenda.

RE: Smoking Ban? (TK23Blue)

Sun, 11 May 2008 12:18:02 GMT

ORIGINAL: zjgm02

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

Nicotine is far more addicitive than it is habit forming. It's more addictive than heroin, alcohol or cocaine so to say it's just a bad habit that can be easily broken isn't exactly accurate. I mean, I had the bad habit of leaving the top off the toothpaste but now I don't. Not quite the same thing.

Pleeeeease...do you have any facts to back up that contention? More addictive than heroin? Has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Ans, son, if I tell your step-dad that you are logging into his UMGoBlue account he is going to tan your behind.

Facts? How many do you want? Here, I'll let you do it and I'll even help you. Go to Google and punch in 'Is nicotine more addicitive than heroin'. You'll find 10,000 articles, from some pretty reasonable sources like, Johns-Hopkins, Georgetown University and the list is a mile long. Do your own homework son-I'm tired.

RE: Smoking Ban? (zjgm02)

Sun, 11 May 2008 12:07:03 GMT

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

Nicotine is far more addicitive than it is habit forming. It's more addictive than heroin, alcohol or cocaine so to say it's just a bad habit that can be easily broken isn't exactly accurate. I mean, I had the bad habit of leaving the top off the toothpaste but now I don't. Not quite the same thing.

Pleeeeease...do you have any facts to back up that contention? More addictive than heroin? Has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Ans, son, if I tell your step-dad that you are logging into his UMGoBlue account he is going to tan your behind.

RE: Smoking Ban? (TK23Blue)

Sun, 11 May 2008 11:44:19 GMT

Nicotine is far more addicitive than it is habit forming. It's more addictive than heroin, alcohol or cocaine so to say it's just a bad habit that can be easily broken isn't exactly accurate. I mean, I had the bad habit of leaving the top off the toothpaste but now I don't. Not quite the same thing.

I live in CA so the no smoking in public places doesn't bother me and I don't go to bars anyway. But when we have a city like Calabasas that has banned outdoor smoking PERIOD (with the exception of a few scattered outdoor smoking areas that you can't find anyway) it becomes way over the top and just more bulls*** from the government. There are now discussions in the works to ban outdoor smoking everywhere, including your own backyard or patio. Sorry-you're going to have to kiss my a$$ on that one if you think you're going to stop me from smoking a cigar in MY backyard. Just one more example of a government that wants to do everything BUT it's job. Listen, I can totally respect a non-smokers desire for clean air. That's completely fair. I could never imagine lighting up in a restaurant while a guy is sitting next to me trying to eat, or on an airplane (remember those days?), or in someone's house or car. It's flat-out rude to begin with, nevermind what we know about 2nd hand smoke, etc. I would just never consider it so I get why non-smokers can't deal with it. Can't blame them. But if you're going to start telling me I can't do something in my own home or backyard, go to hell. Ain't happening. I went to a Red Wings-Ducks game this year in Anaheim and there's a restaurant/bar across the street from The Honda Center that we like to frequent. They allow outdoor smoking on their large patio and the place is packed. My buddy and I are sitting at a table with 4 chairs so a lady and her friend come up and sit down at our table (there were no seats open anywhere.) I looked at my buddy and we were a bit stunned-um, how about asking if anyone is sitting here? She then asks my buddy if he would mind smoking somewhere else. I looked at her and was ready to say. "Are you serious?" but my buddy jumps up and yells, "Who the F are you? This is MY table! Get the hell outta here!" They stormed off and acted like we were totally rude. This is where I have a problem with this stuff. Unreal.

RE: Smoking Ban? (OC Michigan Fan)

Sun, 11 May 2008 11:07:25 GMT

Trust me, if a smoker can't smoke when they're drinking they will be home instead of poring money into businesses.

Rather than trust you, I'd like to just look at the data. Several states have had this ban for a long time. I know NY and NJ are smoke free, with similar climate; what do the numbers say? When I was on the East Coast for X Mas, I couldn't find an empty bar. There may have been more people there though, because many were outside (patio or entry way), bundled up, puffing, while others were inside getting their booze on.

I understand what you're saying about the gov. interfering, but I'd like to see proof that bar owners are going to suffer, and smokers are staying home.

RE: Smoking Ban? (Harbaugh04)

Sun, 11 May 2008 00:47:11 GMT

ORIGINAL: ohowihate Ohio State

Another step in the direction of Socialism. I'm an ex-smoker and I think banning smolkng in ALL business is crap. People have been going to bars knowing there's smoke in the air and they CHOOSE to go anyway. Now the government is trying to give a group of complainers more rights than others. Actually, it's restricting peoples FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The government has got to stop dictating. Business owners should be able to run their business, not the Socialists. Just what Michigan needs is for more busisness closures. Trust me, if a smoker can't smoke when they're drinking they will be home instead of poring money into businesses. Let the people think for themselves.

Your right on ohowihate OhioSate
I understand 100% if its a restaurant cause of the kids, but not the neighbor bar at the corner... You have to be 21 to get in right? Smoking is still legal right?
If a place is to smokey , then dont go in.. Problem Solved !

RE: Smoking Ban? (ohowihate Ohio State)

Sat, 10 May 2008 15:04:30 GMT

Another step in the direction of Socialism. I'm an ex-smoker and I think banning smolkng in ALL business is crap. People have been going to bars knowing there's smoke in the air and they CHOOSE to go anyway. Now the government is trying to give a group of complainers more rights than others. Actually, it's restricting peoples FREEDOM OF CHOICE. The government has got to stop dictating. Business owners should be able to run their business, not the Socialists. Just what Michigan needs is for more busisness closures. Trust me, if a smoker can't smoke when they're drinking they will be home instead of poring money into businesses. Let the people think for themselves.

RE: Smoking Ban? (Harbaugh04)

Sat, 10 May 2008 10:53:54 GMT

ORIGINAL: buckeyehater22

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!! Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

A barowner would be committing suicide if he made his bar smoke free. The problem is, whether a barowner would like it or not, he/she would lose so much sale because all the smokers will go elsewhere. If the government steps in and says no more, then the barowner will make his place more healthy and less irritating without losing business

If everyone is for smoke free why would a smoke free bar lose business? Wouldnt it do better lol?
Eveyone is against smoking now a days right lol? Who wants to go to a unhealthy place ?
Oh buckeyehater, what bars you going to lol? You must have a great fake I.D :P

If the goverment is so worried about peoples health why not just ban smoking all together?
Oh thats right, they will lose out of all that $$tax$$$ money lol

RE: Smoking Ban? (OC Michigan Fan)

Sat, 10 May 2008 10:26:03 GMT

smokers have no rights anymore.

Maybe Vegas is behind all of this?

I remember going back to AZ a few years ago, and before the law was state-wide, Tempe went smoke free. It really changed the night life scene on Mill Ave. I never saw data, but I have a feeling Scottsdale and downtown Phx really benefited from it.

RE: Smoking Ban? (DownInFront417)

Sat, 10 May 2008 04:32:20 GMT

ORIGINAL: buckeyehater22

It was put in place in Ohio, and it is GREAT! I love not going into sports bars and resturants and not being surrounded by smoke. It makes the eating experience better, and probably improves the health of the employees and fellow customers alike. It may be bad for the resturants, but too bad. I love it.

i was at Platinums 2 nights ago in Toledo and no one stopped me from smoking (or anyone else that was in there) i thought it was a little strange though when i asked for an ash tray, they lady gave me a plastic cup with water in it.

and im not happy about this. the ban in canada is the whole reason why i stopped going to casino windsor.

smokers have no rights anymore.

RE: Smoking Ban? (woleverine4life)

Sat, 10 May 2008 01:00:32 GMT

I live in Ohio and there's a local bar that doesn't abide by the law. Not sure how they get around it (I think its cause that's where most cops hang out), but I really don't care. Working at a restraraunt, it was a great law. I used to have to take extra time cleaning those things out every single time they got used and I wasn't even a server (I was a busser). Not good for your job especially when you don't smoke.