"This didn't have to happen"

OK, no one else has called out Wolverines24 on this, so I am going to. RR is a bad coach because he lost to Pitt?? Really? That is a huge rivalry game for WV and I believe White was injured for most of the game. Forget that they went 11-2 that season. Lose one rivalry game against a team that is inferior to you and you should be gone. I mean I know Michigan has never done that. And Dantonio never blows games he should win, I sure wish we had him.

Go Blue!

Michigan Alumnus since 4/28/07

Wolverine24


I would be willing to to take this kind of a season if Michigan has great success in the future and consistently goes undefeated at home and competes for national championships.

However, I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that Rich Rod will compete for NCs at Michigan. He will probably only win 8-10 games at best per year just as Lloyd did, but with losing seasons as well!!! At least Lloyd won 8-10 games per year without losing seasons.

Do I want Lloyd back? NO!! What I wanted was Lloyd gone and someone else who runs a regular pro-set and has a spread offensive package only when needed and is a great game day coach, and is great at teaching tough, physical, mistake free fundamental football. Rich Rod does not do any of that. And on top of all that, he has never fielded a good defensive team. Defense wins championships!!!

At West Virginia, he couldn't even beat lowly Pitt at HOME, which cost him a trip to the NC game. And the Big Ten has much better defenses than the Big Least!!! If he never went to an NC game at WVU and couldn't even beat lowly Pitt, what makes you think he will do it at Michigan when he refuses to understand the Michigan tradition, and refuses to adjust his system to fit his personnel??

West Virginia's defense looked pretty good against Oklahoma last year.  The Big East is down this year but the last couple of years they were pretty good with Louisville, Rutgers, and an emerging South Florida.  

I don't follow your logic to think that coach Rod will only win 8-10 games a year when his past record clearly proves otherwise.  How do you critique his coaching career based on not beating Pitt one time?  You can pick any coach you want and find more than one game they should have won (even games that cost teams a chance to play in the NC). 

You really need to look at the entire record before you judge a coach. 

kinny18


He damn well better turn this around.

YEP!!!!!! I'm losing faith in RR...
He's got a lot of proving to do to me. Yes, they are improving...and the Purdue game was a great game, but I am getting frustrated!!!
I knew it wasn't going to be a good season, but 2-7???? Come on.
I know everyone on here are gung ho on RR and don't like to say or hear a bad word about him, but it's getting ridiculous...oh, and may I add EMBARRASSING??????
 

Eric72GoBlue


The thing I love, is a lot of people are putting it all on RR shoulders. I will restate what has already been said. The defense isnt tackling, and the quarterback play throughout the season has been pittiful. You cant run his offense with a unskilled QB who struggles to make good decisions. The only thing I have truly been dissapointed with was Shafer. Just a few things here and there and we could have at least 2 or 3 more wins at this point. Next year people will be pleased and the peace will some what be returned.

I completely agree......and I hope you're right!

maize3561


So bhf you were a big fan of 8 and 4.?  Because all of your choices would have done just that.  The talent was here why didnt RR win with it....PLEASE!  WHY didnt LC win with it?  8 and 4  for 3, 4,5 yrs in a row is not winning with it.  It is merely getting by.  All that called for LC s head did so cause they were tired of 8 and 4 and being totalllllly  predictable.  Although RR has been very predictable in that sense.  MICHIGAN had WAY WAY better talent last yr and what happen?  We had a senior lead team and also those seniors were in the same program their whole careers and yet I dont remeber playing in the NC game last yr. 

Hey Lloyd never had a 7 loss season. Ever. Lloyd won a National Championship-oh wait, I forgot, we won that despite Lloyd. We were one win away from the NC game just 2 years ago-wait, we did that despite Lloyd too. Rich is one win away from the worst season ever at Michigan. The worst in the 129 year history. Now that really is an accomplishment, to do something Michigan has never done in 129 years. Good job.

All Lloyd did was win, and win, and win. Did he win every game? No. Did he ever have a losing season? No.

Just to check count. Carr-1 National Championship, zero losing seasons. 13 years.
Rich-0 National Championships in his career, 1 losing season at Michigan. 1 year.

Hmm Rich is beating Lloyd in something.

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-Doug Karsch "The Big Show"

Michigan Alum
Class of 2008

8-16

I'll take a loss in the stock market today, to be up 36% by the time I retire.

BHF, Lloyd retired, he wasn't fired. I guess you didn't work hard enough to convince him to stick around!

At the time of RichRod's hire, there was no realistic candidate with a better resume. Go back and read the coaching search forum. We were stoked, and for good reason.

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Fielding Yost

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maize3561


So bhf you were a big fan of 8 and 4.?  Because all of your choices would have done just that.  The talent was here why didnt RR win with it....PLEASE!  WHY didnt LC win with it?  8 and 4  for 3, 4,5 yrs in a row is not winning with it.  It is merely getting by.  All that called for LC s head did so cause they were tired of 8 and 4 and being totalllllly  predictable.  Although RR has been very predictable in that sense.  MICHIGAN had WAY WAY better talent last yr and what happen?  We had a senior lead team and also those seniors were in the same program their whole careers and yet I dont remeber playing in the NC game last yr. 

Hey Lloyd never had a 7 loss season. Ever. Lloyd won a National Championship-oh wait, I forgot, we won that despite Lloyd. We were one win away from the NC game just 2 years ago-wait, we did that despite Lloyd too. Rich is one win away from the worst season ever at Michigan. The worst in the 129 year history. Now that really is an accomplishment, to do something Michigan has never done in 129 years. Good job.

All Lloyd did was win, and win, and win. Did he win every game? No. Did he ever have a losing season? No.

Just to check count. Carr-1 National Championship, zero losing seasons. 13 years.
Rich-0 National Championships in his career, 1 losing season at Michigan. 1 year.

Hmm Rich is beating Lloyd in something.

Yeah let's compare 13 years to 1 year, thats smart, thats fair. Why didn't anyone think of that sooner?
 
 

A Star is Born

yawn

Scottsdale... I'm not trying to "stir the pot"... or get under your skin... or any of that. But... yes, we have fallen off the radar this year. Nobody talks about UM football anymore... unless they are having a good chuckle. Nobody is surprised when UM loses. 

Do I care about Craig James and Doug Flutie? Hell no. However, it sucks that I have to sit through a half-time show and listen to them literally start chuckling whenever UM comes up. So, in that sense, I guess UM hasn't fallen off the radar. Unfortunately, they have disappeared from any conversation regarding decent college football programmes. A bit sad. 

Lastly, not living in the immediate Midwest anymore has meant that I never get to see UM on television anymore. It's only a few states bordering Michigan that get games anymore. Nobody outside of the state really wants to see UM at this point. Who can blame them? It's tough realizing UM doesn't garner the attention they once did. Hope it changes sooner rather than later. 

Everyone is talking about Michigan football.  We were on the front page of ESPN, CNNSI, CBSSportsline, etc.  We are always in the news.  We are getting recruits to look at Michigan every day.  I'll take a page out of Mark Cuban's book and say that press isn't always bad press.

There is so much to be excited about with Michigan football and what is in store for the future.  It's too bad that several people on this board can't see what most people around the country see.

Listen, Michigan football is bigger than Rich Rod, bigger than a losing season, bigger than not going to a bowl game this year, bigger than Lloyd Carr, bigger than you and I.

Michigan football is not going anywhere, but back to the top echelon of college football.

Go Blue!!

True. Today on PTI Michigan was the "Happy Trails" segment. Man, that felt good.

"Jim Tressel's DNA is linked to the Devil at some point, I'm sure of it."
-Doug Karsch "The Big Show"

Michigan Alum
Class of 2008

8-16

I tihnk a lot of this has to do with preference. A lot of people here would take an 8-4 seson every year as long as we were in the Big Ten race and beat OSU mot years. I would rather have a bad season every once in a while and then be awesome and challenge for national titles int he other years and right now I believe RR will do this for us. Maybe he won't and we made a mistake but I still think he will. I couldn't care less what the media thinks. Big Ten titles are great, but if you aim for a national campionship the Big Ten will take care of itself. We were successful but ultimately could not get to that elite level under Carr in the last decade. I don't really consider the 2006 team elite, but I won't argue with people who want to say it was. We wanted a dramatic change because we wanted to reach the level that USC, Texas, and Oklahoma have gotten to, but that will not happen overnight. For me, this wait will be worth it if we reach that level. I can live with this. Consistancy is great, but you have to be a moron to think we were never going to have a losing season. This stuff goes in cycles. Always has. We will get back to beating OSU again and then their fans get to go through the decade or so of hating their coach and saying it is not good enough. I can't wait for that time.

Go Blue!

Michigan Alumnus since 4/28/07

I'm in sales.  Sure, I could take the orders from current customers, be 70% of my quota for the year and stay happy and probably keep my job b/c I'm a good guy.

Or, I could go out and make some calls, try to be the top salesperson in the country and earn a President's Club trip.

You're not going to get very far in life sitting around and expecting things to happen for you.

Successful people in this world are always looking to get better.

Michigan wants to be successful in the future and to do so, they hired a young, motivated, successful coach who wants to lead, get better and win national championships.

Go Blue!!

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maize3561


So bhf you were a big fan of 8 and 4.?  Because all of your choices would have done just that.  The talent was here why didnt RR win with it....PLEASE!  WHY didnt LC win with it?  8 and 4  for 3, 4,5 yrs in a row is not winning with it.  It is merely getting by.  All that called for LC s head did so cause they were tired of 8 and 4 and being totalllllly  predictable.  Although RR has been very predictable in that sense.  MICHIGAN had WAY WAY better talent last yr and what happen?  We had a senior lead team and also those seniors were in the same program their whole careers and yet I dont remeber playing in the NC game last yr. 

Hey Lloyd never had a 7 loss season. Ever. Lloyd won a National Championship-oh wait, I forgot, we won that despite Lloyd. We were one win away from the NC game just 2 years ago-wait, we did that despite Lloyd too. Rich is one win away from the worst season ever at Michigan. The worst in the 129 year history. Now that really is an accomplishment, to do something Michigan has never done in 129 years. Good job.

All Lloyd did was win, and win, and win. Did he win every game? No. Did he ever have a losing season? No.

Just to check count. Carr-1 National Championship, zero losing seasons. 13 years.
Rich-0 National Championships in his career, 1 losing season at Michigan. 1 year.

Hmm Rich is beating Lloyd in something.

1881 (0-3)
1934 (1-7)
1936 (1-7)
1958 (2-6-1 Conf. 1-5-1)
1962 (2-7 Conf. 1-6)


While the last 2 are what we are on pace for those are worse the first two are worse than this year, aka not the worst in the history of Michigan Football

True Michigan Fan

kinny18


He damn well better turn this around.

YEP!!!!!! I'm losing faith in RR...
He's got a lot of proving to do to me. Yes, they are improving...and the Purdue game was a great game, but I am getting frustrated!!!
I knew it wasn't going to be a good season, but 2-7???? Come on.
I know everyone on here are gung ho on RR and don't like to say or hear a bad word about him, but it's getting ridiculous...oh, and may I add EMBARRASSING??????

No, everyone on here is not "gung ho" on RR, and most don't believe that he should be free of critism. HOWEVER, personally I think we all should give him more than 9 games before we pass judgement on whether he will suceed at Michigan or start comparing him to other Michigan coaches.
 
At the very least we should wait until he has at least a recruiting class or two of his own on campus.

A Star is Born

MichFan4Life

True Michigan Fan

kinny18


He damn well better turn this around.

YEP!!!!!! I'm losing faith in RR...
He's got a lot of proving to do to me. Yes, they are improving...and the Purdue game was a great game, but I am getting frustrated!!!
I knew it wasn't going to be a good season, but 2-7???? Come on.
I know everyone on here are gung ho on RR and don't like to say or hear a bad word about him, but it's getting ridiculous...oh, and may I add EMBARRASSING??????

No, everyone on here is not "gung ho" on RR, and most don't believe that he should be free of criticism. HOWEVER, personally I think we all should give him more than 9 games before we pass judgement on whether he will succeed at Michigan or start comparing him to other Michigan coaches.

At the very least we should wait until he has at least a recruiting class or two of his own on campus.

I have and AM giving him a chance, but he has not proven himself to me AT ALL...I am all for him being assigned as the Michigan FB coach. I am honestly fine w/ that. I was happy about it, and I knew this season was going to be a tough one--But I didn't know it was going to be a complete embarrassment............
I am just saying he's got a lot of proving to do. And you say everyone is not "gung ho" on RR...Well, it sure does seem like the criticism of RR is never taken lightly on here. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and everyone should respect that, as I respect everyone else's.
Some may harp and harp on the same ole' things and/or coach RR, but they are on here to discuss and maybe even learn something.
We have some talent on our team, no one can deny that. If they do, they're idiots. I don't think it is all being utilized and when you're not mixing up plays, the other team will ALWAYS catch on. That can all be changed by RR. But it hasn't, after 9 games. The 1st few I knew we were a young team and trying to get the kinks worked out, but after months of practice and after 7 losses, you would just assume things would get a little better.
I fully understand we need to give him a chance and 1 year is a given, but it sure is hard!!!!!
What I'm trying to say is, I have my opinion, you have yours and everyone else has one too, and we are aloud to...Respect that.

bluecanuck
Lastly, not living in the immediate Midwest anymore has meant that I never get to see UM on television anymore. It's only a few states bordering Michigan that get games anymore.

I don't believe that.  Other than the couple games Mich has been on the BTN (contractual obligation), they have been on ABC or ESPN nationally.  I don't live in a state bordering Mich, I don't even live in a B10 state, and I have seen every game on TV. 

True Michigan Fan


But I didn't know it was going to be a complete embarrassment............

 
I don't think this season has been a complete embarrassment and most college football pundits expected it.
 
The only people bitching and screaming are upset fans.  Media, coaches, analysts, etc all knew this was coming.
 
We, as fans, can bitch and moan all we want, but it's not going to do any good.
 
Go Blue!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll take 2-10 this year if it turns into legitimate championship teams in the coming years... I was equally embarassed by being an underachieving 3 or 4 loss team with the amount of talent we had.

I can't stand coming to this part of the board too often because it's constant whining and "what ifs" from naysayers. I have to keep up with the recruiting section, though :)

aMAIZEing
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