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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:05 PM ( #21 )
BlueWalls... I not saying you have to go back to grade one... but to call a single game's output against a poor defense as a definite sign of  improvement seems just a little premature. 

And the Tiger Woods reference is silly. Tiger didn't completely drop off the radar as we have done. He struggled to win... but remained very competitive. I don't think anyone on this board would claim the same for UM football this year.    
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:11 PM ( #22 )
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BlueWalls... I not saying you have to go back to grade one... but to call a single game's output against a poor defense as a definite sign of  improvement seems just a little premature. 

And the Tiger Woods reference is silly. Tiger didn't completely drop off the radar as we have done. He struggled to win... but remained very competitive. I don't think anyone on this board would claim the same for UM football this year.    


How is that not improvement? If one game you score a 130 in bowling and the next game you score 170 is that not improvement? Maybe your sending the wrong person back to grade one.

Also the Tiger Woods reference is perfect. Have we not been competitive this year? We haven't won but I'm not sure how you measure what competitive means.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:21 PM ( #23 )
The slight improvement in offense is more than offset by a stunning deterioration on the defensive side of the ball.  What looked like a fairly good defense in game one against Utah is now a complete disgrace.  Purdue, using a 3rd string QB and having scored 41 points in its prior 4 games, put up 48 against us with 522 yards of total offense.  It doesn't help to have improvement in one area and watch other areas fall apart.
 
On a second note, posters here lament tackling and fumbling as not a sign of coaching.  I disagree completely.  Read the books of Bo, Woody and Lombardi about ball security and sure tackling.  It is all about discipline and coaching, which this team is sorely lacking.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:29 PM ( #24 )
Iowa. Harsh. I was never sending anybody back to grade one. But if you think a single isolated positive event is a sign of improvement... I think you are wrong. If UM continues to put points up on the board for the rest of the year... I'll agree. Even more... if they actually put up points against a good defense... then I'll be totally on board.

I teach grade six. So, i can't say anything about the grade one curriculum. But I know in grade six we know that you can't call anything a trend until you have more than a single instance that deviates from what was the norm. Maybe try grade six.
 
And no... 2-7 is not competitive in a league widely considered to be one of the weakest "power" conferences. Sticking around long enough to lose by a touchdown or two in every game is a positive sign only if you're grasping at straws... or a mid-level football power that has never really enjoyed any degree of sustained success. 
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:44 PM ( #25 )
The thing I love, is a lot of people are putting it all on RR shoulders. I will restate what has already been said. The defense isnt tackling, and the quarterback play throughout the season has been pittiful. You cant run his offense with a unskilled QB who struggles to make good decisions. The only thing I have truly been dissapointed with was Shafer. Just a few things here and there and we could have at least 2 or 3 more wins at this point. Next year people will be pleased and the peace will some what be returned.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:08 PM ( #26 )
This article contains some of the same type of thinking that has been repeatedly brought up on this board, and needless to say, I simply don't understand it.


But if that was going to be the case in 2008 -- and he should have seen it coming -- then it should not have been the end of the world to have stuck with a more conventional offense that would have taken advantage of Michigan's existing personnel, which was plenty good.


Right because our unconventional offense cost us the game on Saturday... 42 points!  Against an admittedly bad Purdue team, but still, 42 points! 

Listen, the offense has struggled, OBVIOUSLY.  I will not for one second say that it hasn't cost us football games this year, it has, but so too have other facets of this team.  Raise your hand if you feel that offensive struggles were unexpected entering this season.  Yet again in this article we have a "fact" that is nothing more than a "belief" that this team would somehow be better by running different sets.  Again, the thinking here is that somehow the transition to this offense would be better accomplished by simply delaying its implementation.  I don't agree with that, I don't agree that the transition would somehow be smoother by waiting to run the offense that this staff runs.  Auburn ditched their offense halfway through the year and have they suddenly become a solid offensive football team??  After firing their OC on October 8th, they've put up 22, 17, and 7 points... losing all three contests.  A huge jump in production over their previous set of games.... or not at all.

I don't understand the thinking that says our suspect line would somehow block better in a pro-set, and our young QB would somehow be more accurate (as if the routes are somehow different), and our receivers would be more open.


The goods were here to have had at least a decent, bowl-worthy season in 2008.


I don't think this is a valid point, it's nothing but conjecture and yet I keep seeing people continue to recite it as fact.  It's as though we played 2008, got into the DeLorean, came back, and played it in a pro set just to compare.  I guess I missed the memo about the trip back.  Last year's team was going to win the National title too....


It's not personnel. It's what's happening to it that scares the bejabbers out of anyone who knew that Michigan in 2008 was not dealing with an empty cupboard.


The fullness of the cupboard isn't the issue, everyone here understood the number of starters coming back, but the new players quality was unproven and unknown.  The areas of the team that weren't empty (d-line, corners, and running backs) have seen their shares of ups and downs, and the ones that have been mismanaged the worst in my opinion are on the defensive side of the football.


There were areas that needed help -- offensive line, secondary, etc. -- but as many areas as the teams that have beaten Michigan in 2008 faced coming into this autumn?


Name an opponent that returned less starters please.  We all know the loss to Toledo was inexcusable, everyone here understands that... of course so too was the loss to App State the year prior with a FAR better football team. 


There was no need to write off Rodriguez's inaugural season simply because he lacked a true spread-offense quarterback.


Yep that's all we lacked, a qb.... and an o-line, and a group of safeties, and a cohesive group at linebacker, and experience at the receiver spot.  Let's run down that starting lineup eh?  No team in the country has freshmen contributing a higher percentage to their yardage... but hey, all we needed was a spread QB and this team would be gravy.  I don't think so.  One player doesn't make a team, there are a number of areas that need addressing here.

You want to know one area where I think scheme is costing this football team?  It ain't on the offense.  Take a gander on the other side of the football, where this gentlemen actually questions the level of effort of the players... as if they aren't playing their butts off every Saturday.  Purdue had the football for.... 38 minutes Saturday.  Did the D quit?  Nope.  Did the defensive staff make ONE adjustment?  ONE?!  No.  It's this erroneous notion that the offense alone is costing us games that I don't get, our defense is giving up more points per game than we've seen in a LONG time (over 30 points a game at this point I believe).


Michigan's football fire has been snuffed in ways that extend far beyond the scoreboard and won-loss column.


I haven't seen this team quit once this year, I haven't seen this team do anything that makes me question their "fire".  His "proof"?  That after a blown coverage that lead to a TD, two of the players in the secondary looked at each other... GASP!!!!  That NEVER happens on teams that are doing well.... or it happens on every blown coverage I've ever seen, I can't remember.

I saw a 2-6 football team play its butt off on Saturday, I saw a team that was handcuffed by its scheme on defense (yes I actually can disagree with schemes), I saw a team that had every opportunity (again) to pack it in and quit, and instead they drove down and tied the game with a minute to go after blowing not one, but two 14 point leads.  That they lost is a product of missed tackles, a gift TD on a dropped punt, and some darn solid Purdue play-calling to end the football game.  It was not a result of doused fire, it was not a result of lack-luster effort.

Here's what worries me right now, and it's the defensive side of the football.  Anyone who actually watches this team can see how this offense will be able to move the football, it's the short-comings of the D that have me concerned.  I cannot believe that we continually trotted the 3-3-5 out there time and again, I simply cannot understand the thinking behind it, and Rodriguez needs to explain why in God's sweet name we didn't change up after being rung like a bell for 270 yards in the first half alone.  Why you would limit the BEST group of players on the team (the d-line) and give a true freshman all day is inexplicable.  We can get to QBs with four down linemen, you don't have to sacrifice the ridiculously soft coverage with our D-line.  Instead you put 3 down-linemen in the game, let Purdue double team people like Jamison and Graham or allow a lineman to pick up a blitzer, and give the kid all day to make very simple throws. 

He also needs to explain why this team CONTINIUES to be unable to tackle anyone on first contact.  Sadly this problem is not new, we saw that with Herrmann, we saw it with English, and we're seeing it now with Shafer.  It's damning that it continues, and I think Rodriguez and Shafer have to answer for it.  It's November, you learn to tackle in pee-wee football, why are we still bouncing off guys on 3rd and 7 when we have them stopped short only to allow drives to continue?

I am concerned with Rodriguez on the following fronts:
1. Lack of defensive adjustment
2. Bringing in Shafer, who so far has not lived up to his "stop me before I blitz again" billing
3. Not making it crystal clear to Threet that he HAS to keep the football on the read-option for the offense to continue to be effective, Threet was not an option QB, you have to instruct him what to do.  The offense actually looks competent when he is a threat to keep the football.
4. Again on the defense... I just don't get our approach.  In situations where we should've been in press coverage and forcing their qb to make plays yesterday we sat back in a soft zone and gave him all day.
5. Fundamental deficiencies: our turnover problem has cost us more football games than our 3-and-out prone offense this year, our tackling problem has cost us time and again as well.  That sort of stuff all falls under "the little things teams do to win".  Frankly, our deficiencies here are unacceptable.  The players and the coaches have to take responsibility here.

I have faith that this offense will grow into something special in the future, you are free to disagree as you like.  What worries me is just how ineffective our defense has been and how we haven't been able to address or adjust to its deficiencies as the year has gone on.  That falls on Rodriguez and that falls on Shafer.

I do not, however, question this team's heart.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:10 PM ( #27 )
Actually yes, sticking around in EVERY ball game to only fall apart later is the definition of being competitive. And I'd agree with you about improvement if we had scored  42 in the 3rd week and then reset back to puttin up 20. But to choke up all year against pretty bad defenses, then to all of a sudden come out and actually start to get it is definitly considered improvement. I don't care how many points we put up on any other team or any other defense this year. The players are starting to understand the system. Now that they've had 9 months in it they are starting to get more used to it and instead of hearing the play call, thinking about what their assignment is on the play, then going out and doing it, they hear the play, line up and run it. Thats making the whole system look faster, and once that starts clicking in with a d-coordinator that can actually defend mediocre teams we will be very very good.
Don't remember clausen from last year. that clausen will be gone soon enough. By the time he has developed a little bit and the domers o-line isnt scrip scrap he will most likely be phenomenal, no matter how much we'll all try to overlook it.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:12 PM ( #28 )
Just so I'm clear on what has been posted in this thread because I think we may have gone from simply obtuse to utterly absurd...

English, Hoke and Miles would have done better because the "system these guys run would have better fit the players".

Hmm...

Well, English was a DC, so I'm not sure how anyone can know what system he would have run on offense.  I'm sure his D would have been better.  Heck, Herrmann probably would have been better than Shafer, but that has nothing to do with the offense.

I don't know that we're even sure Hoke would've taken the job if offered and if he did, we have no idea who he would've chosen as his assistants.  Perhaps some of his current assistants would have stayed in Muncie and vied for to be the HC there.

Miles, apparently didn't want the job, so what he "would" have done is academic.  

But why stop at Miles, or even Lloyd for comparisons?  How would Fielding Yost have done with this team?  It's about as relevant as the other suppositions that have been passing for analysis all season.

As far as this being the worst season in the history of Michigan football, I suggest doing a modicum of research on the program's history.  It's funny that one of the largest bones of contention with RR is that he doesn't understand the history and tradition of this program, yet some of those who make such claims then show they don't quite know as much as they think they do with inaccurate and outlandish generalizations.  

I would say the 1-7 1934 team was worse, but that's just me.  the team's only win coming against even more hapless GA Tech who ended up 1-9.  That Michigan team was also out-scored 143-21, but certainly don't allow any pesky facts to get in the way of baseless arguments. 
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:08 PM ( #29 )
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"This didn't have to happen"


  For all of you that want to continue watching Michigan win 8-9 games a year, that's great and that's what you would have got with English or Hoke or another coach from within.  


Scottsdale is right.. 
  
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:55 PM ( #30 )
Henning's yet another hack. "The sky is falling" yes it is, and that's what happens when you change things to such an extent. The difference between us and say, Nebraska, is that Rod is a good coach. Lets give him a chance to straighten things out. Les Miles, Hoke, whoever, he's better that those coaches.

If theres anybody on the hot seat, it's Shafer.



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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:56 PM ( #31 )
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This article contains some of the same type of thinking that has been repeatedly brought up on this board, and needless to say, I simply don't understand it.


But if that was going to be the case in 2008 -- and he should have seen it coming -- then it should not have been the end of the world to have stuck with a more conventional offense that would have taken advantage of Michigan's existing personnel, which was plenty good.


Right because our unconventional offense cost us the game on Saturday... 42 points!  Against an admittedly bad Purdue team, but still, 42 points! 

Listen, the offense has struggled, OBVIOUSLY.  I will not for one second say that it hasn't cost us football games this year, it has, but so too have other facets of this team.  Raise your hand if you feel that offensive struggles were unexpected entering this season.  Yet again in this article we have a "fact" that is nothing more than a "belief" that this team would somehow be better by running different sets.  Again, the thinking here is that somehow the transition to this offense would be better accomplished by simply delaying its implementation.  I don't agree with that, I don't agree that the transition would somehow be smoother by waiting to run the offense that this staff runs.  Auburn ditched their offense halfway through the year and have they suddenly become a solid offensive football team??  After firing their OC on October 8th, they've put up 22, 17, and 7 points... losing all three contests.  A huge jump in production over their previous set of games.... or not at all.

I don't understand the thinking that says our suspect line would somehow block better in a pro-set, and our young QB would somehow be more accurate (as if the routes are somehow different), and our receivers would be more open.


The goods were here to have had at least a decent, bowl-worthy season in 2008.


I don't think this is a valid point, it's nothing but conjecture and yet I keep seeing people continue to recite it as fact.  It's as though we played 2008, got into the DeLorean, came back, and played it in a pro set just to compare.  I guess I missed the memo about the trip back.  Last year's team was going to win the National title too....


It's not personnel. It's what's happening to it that scares the bejabbers out of anyone who knew that Michigan in 2008 was not dealing with an empty cupboard.


The fullness of the cupboard isn't the issue, everyone here understood the number of starters coming back, but the new players quality was unproven and unknown.  The areas of the team that weren't empty (d-line, corners, and running backs) have seen their shares of ups and downs, and the ones that have been mismanaged the worst in my opinion are on the defensive side of the football.


There were areas that needed help -- offensive line, secondary, etc. -- but as many areas as the teams that have beaten Michigan in 2008 faced coming into this autumn?


Name an opponent that returned less starters please.  We all know the loss to Toledo was inexcusable, everyone here understands that... of course so too was the loss to App State the year prior with a FAR better football team. 


There was no need to write off Rodriguez's inaugural season simply because he lacked a true spread-offense quarterback.


Yep that's all we lacked, a qb.... and an o-line, and a group of safeties, and a cohesive group at linebacker, and experience at the receiver spot.  Let's run down that starting lineup eh?  No team in the country has freshmen contributing a higher percentage to their yardage... but hey, all we needed was a spread QB and this team would be gravy.  I don't think so.  One player doesn't make a team, there are a number of areas that need addressing here.

You want to know one area where I think scheme is costing this football team?  It ain't on the offense.  Take a gander on the other side of the football, where this gentlemen actually questions the level of effort of the players... as if they aren't playing their butts off every Saturday.  Purdue had the football for.... 38 minutes Saturday.  Did the D quit?  Nope.  Did the defensive staff make ONE adjustment?  ONE?!  No.  It's this erroneous notion that the offense alone is costing us games that I don't get, our defense is giving up more points per game than we've seen in a LONG time (over 30 points a game at this point I believe).


Michigan's football fire has been snuffed in ways that extend far beyond the scoreboard and won-loss column.


I haven't seen this team quit once this year, I haven't seen this team do anything that makes me question their "fire".  His "proof"?  That after a blown coverage that lead to a TD, two of the players in the secondary looked at each other... GASP!!!!  That NEVER happens on teams that are doing well.... or it happens on every blown coverage I've ever seen, I can't remember.

I saw a 2-6 football team play its butt off on Saturday, I saw a team that was handcuffed by its scheme on defense (yes I actually can disagree with schemes), I saw a team that had every opportunity (again) to pack it in and quit, and instead they drove down and tied the game with a minute to go after blowing not one, but two 14 point leads.  That they lost is a product of missed tackles, a gift TD on a dropped punt, and some darn solid Purdue play-calling to end the football game.  It was not a result of doused fire, it was not a result of lack-luster effort.

Here's what worries me right now, and it's the defensive side of the football.  Anyone who actually watches this team can see how this offense will be able to move the football, it's the short-comings of the D that have me concerned.  I cannot believe that we continually trotted the 3-3-5 out there time and again, I simply cannot understand the thinking behind it, and Rodriguez needs to explain why in God's sweet name we didn't change up after being rung like a bell for 270 yards in the first half alone.  Why you would limit the BEST group of players on the team (the d-line) and give a true freshman all day is inexplicable.  We can get to QBs with four down linemen, you don't have to sacrifice the ridiculously soft coverage with our D-line.  Instead you put 3 down-linemen in the game, let Purdue double team people like Jamison and Graham or allow a lineman to pick up a blitzer, and give the kid all day to make very simple throws. 

He also needs to explain why this team CONTINIUES to be unable to tackle anyone on first contact.  Sadly this problem is not new, we saw that with Herrmann, we saw it with English, and we're seeing it now with Shafer.  It's damning that it continues, and I think Rodriguez and Shafer have to answer for it.  It's November, you learn to tackle in pee-wee football, why are we still bouncing off guys on 3rd and 7 when we have them stopped short only to allow drives to continue?

I am concerned with Rodriguez on the following fronts:
1. Lack of defensive adjustment
2. Bringing in Shafer, who so far has not lived up to his "stop me before I blitz again" billing
3. Not making it crystal clear to Threet that he HAS to keep the football on the read-option for the offense to continue to be effective, Threet was not an option QB, you have to instruct him what to do.  The offense actually looks competent when he is a threat to keep the football.
4. Again on the defense... I just don't get our approach.  In situations where we should've been in press coverage and forcing their qb to make plays yesterday we sat back in a soft zone and gave him all day.
5. Fundamental deficiencies: our turnover problem has cost us more football games than our 3-and-out prone offense this year, our tackling problem has cost us time and again as well.  That sort of stuff all falls under "the little things teams do to win".  Frankly, our deficiencies here are unacceptable.  The players and the coaches have to take responsibility here.

I have faith that this offense will grow into something special in the future, you are free to disagree as you like.  What worries me is just how ineffective our defense has been and how we haven't been able to address or adjust to its deficiencies as the year has gone on.  That falls on Rodriguez and that falls on Shafer.

I do not, however, question this team's heart.


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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:15 PM ( #32 )
I would be willing to to take this kind of a season if Michigan has great success in the future and consistently goes undefeated at home and competes for national championships.

However, I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that Rich Rod will compete for NCs at Michigan. He will probably only win 8-10 games at best per year just as Lloyd did, but with losing seasons as well!!! At least Lloyd won 8-10 games per year without losing seasons.

Do I want Lloyd back? NO!! What I wanted was Lloyd gone and someone else who runs a regular pro-set and has a spread offensive package only when needed and is a great game day coach, and is great at teaching tough, physical, mistake free fundamental football. Rich Rod does not do any of that. And on top of all that, he has never fielded a good defensive team. Defense wins championships!!!

At West Virginia, he couldn't even beat lowly Pitt at HOME, which cost him a trip to the NC game. And the Big Ten has much better defenses than the Big Least!!! If he never went to an NC game at WVU and couldn't even beat lowly Pitt, what makes you think he will do it at Michigan when he refuses to understand the Michigan tradition, and refuses to adjust his system to fit his personnel??
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:13 PM ( #33 )
Wolverine24, from your description of an ideal coach, it sounds like you want Tressel and so do I.  Unfortunately, the coach up in East Lansing looks much more like Tressel than the coach in Ann Arbor. 
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:35 PM ( #34 )
Yeah, lets get the vest, That's the key to all our problems.....probably the worst big game coach out there, he's a choker. I'll pass.

coach rod will be fine with a good DC.....give it a chance



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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:59 PM ( #35 )
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Yeah, lets get the vest, That's the key to all our problems.....probably the worst big game coach out there, he's a choker. I'll pass.

coach rod will be fine with a good DC.....give it a chance


Better to get to the Big Game and lose than never get to one.  Tressel has 1 NC and two runner-ups, better than most coaches.  I would take Tressel over RR in a heartbeat.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:29 PM ( #36 )
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Yeah, lets get the vest, That's the key to all our problems.....probably the worst big game coach out there, he's a choker. I'll pass.

coach rod will be fine with a good DC.....give it a chance


Better to get to the Big Game and lose than never get to one.  Tressel has 1 NC and two runner-ups, better than most coaches.  I would take Tressel over RR in a heartbeat.


Better to get to a big game? They didnt have to do anything to schedual USC, and not show up for it.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:37 PM ( #37 )
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Yeah, lets get the vest, That's the key to all our problems.....probably the worst big game coach out there, he's a choker. I'll pass.

coach rod will be fine with a good DC.....give it a chance


Better to get to the Big Game and lose than never get to one.  Tressel has 1 NC and two runner-ups, better than most coaches.  I would take Tressel over RR in a heartbeat.


Better to get to a big game? They didnt have to do anything to schedual USC, and not show up for it.


OSU's talent was no match for USC's talent. That game was not Tressel's fault. Plus the game was at USC.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:41 PM ( #38 )
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OSU's talent was no match for USC's talent. That game was not Tressel's fault. Plus the game was at USC.


Oh, so it's okay for Ohio St. to use the "talent card" but not Michigan????  How does our talent match up this year????

One more thing, how did Lloyd do with all that talent last year against App St. and Oregon????
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:53 PM ( #39 )
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BlueWalls... I not saying you have to go back to grade one... but to call a single game's output against a poor defense as a definite sign of  improvement seems just a little premature. 

And the Tiger Woods reference is silly. Tiger didn't completely drop off the radar as we have done. He struggled to win... but remained very competitive. I don't think anyone on this board would claim the same for UM football this year.    


Who said that Michigan has dropped off the radar?  Michigan is competitive and making changes to be better in the future.  That's what good programs do.  That's what good businesses do.  They make adjustments and try to get better.

For years people have been CRYING for change at Michigan.

For years people have asked this program to jump into the 21st century of football.

Now that we have, you guys want to jump back to the 18th century.

Makes no sense.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.  There has to be some give.

scm said it best when he commented on how all the Rich Rod haters somehow can predict as fact that this team would be 8-4, 9-3 with another coach when their is no proof to that at all.

So, if we were running a "traditional" offense that many have said would make us win more games, would that help RG David Moosman from getting his ass kicked against Illinois the entire game?  How would the "stretch run play" work with RT Stephen Schilling 3 yards in the backfield?  What about C David Molk holding on the backside stretch run?
 
Steven Threet is 99th in the country in yards/game.  He's dead last in QB rating.  He's dead last in completion %.  He's dead last in yards/attempt.
 
Michigan is 111th in turnover margin.  We have lost 13 fumbles.
 
Michigan is 108th in 1st downs.
 
Michigan is 119th in 3rd down conversations.
 
Michigan is 116th in time of possession.
 
Michigan is 111th in Total Offense.
 
In Ron English's cover 2 defense, would Stevie Brown pursue the ball better than he does in Shafer's cover 2 defense?  Would Marell Evans take a better angle at the RB out of the backfield against Utah in another defense instead of watching him run down the sideline open on 3rd and long?

I have yet to see anyone show me how this team would win 6,7,8 games with the current roster....People talk about it, but no one has given any examples.

You can talk about the system, the system, the system, but I think this season has proven that the system is not the reason we can't tackle, hold onto the ball, complete passes, etc.

Can someone please answer my questions about David Moosman getting beat off the ball the entire game against Illinois.  Stephen Schilling get beat around the corner on the pass rush.  It happened last year in our traditional offense.  It happens in the new spread offense we run this year.  Is there some offense out there that I don't know about that does not entail offensive lineman to block? 

Scmgoblue has asked the question.  I have asked the question.  Anyone have an answer????

Go Blue!!


The division between the Rich Rod supporters and the Rich Rod bashers/Carr supporters is amazing and has turned this place upside down.
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Re:"This didn't have to happen" - Monday, November 03, 2008 12:09 AM ( #40 )
So bhf you were a big fan of 8 and 4.?  Because all of your choices would have done just that.  The talent was here why didnt RR win with it....PLEASE!  WHY didnt LC win with it?  8 and 4  for 3, 4,5 yrs in a row is not winning with it.  It is merely getting by.  All that called for LC s head did so cause they were tired of 8 and 4 and being totalllllly  predictable.  Although RR has been very predictable in that sense.  MICHIGAN had WAY WAY better talent last yr and what happen?  We had a senior lead team and also those seniors were in the same program their whole careers and yet I dont remeber playing in the NC game last yr. 

 I am VERY disappointed with the year and yeah I do think tackling and holding onto the football is Coaching.  For that I am truly dishearted.  I have not seen the progress I thought we would have had by now.  And I dont care that we scored 42 pts against Purdue.  Our qb still has not progressed and constantly overthrows his receivers.  That is not progress.  Afterall Threet was suppose to be a big time throwing qb and his throws are not awe inspiring by any means. 

Does that mean I am all for running RR out of town?   NO!  not yet at least I am willing to see what becomes of his plan.  I still think he will learn and grow and so will the Team.   Lets see what happens when he has a full year of recruiting and teaching.  If we are at 2 and 7 this time next yr.......WELL then maybe I will be one of those calling for blood.  But for now I am behind RR and THE WOLVERINES.  
Hail To The Cotton Pickin Maize and Blue!


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